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joevt
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Posted by: @mac_editor

That provides one Thunderbolt cable. Quite the core of their product having two cables. Meaning only the eGPU or the peripheral devices will work, not both - depending on how its plugged in (since there are two devices in one). Won't be surprised if they changed this after seeing this post.

Unlikely. They didn't change that when I mentioned it a month ago
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/blackbeast-pro-thunderbolt-egpu/paged/3/#post-71178

I don't mind the design so much. A dock and eGPU in the same box. Ok. Cool. That's new and useful. Might save some desktop space. Might look cleaner. As for cooling issues, it's not the first eGPU that people may want to improve with a new power supply or fan.

I just wish they could tell us what it does. I asked a bunch of questions and got no answers. If they don't have real benchmarks, and they don't tell us what chips are used, how things are connected, or how many PCIe lanes the devices use, then we can't know what to expect from it or if it's any good or at least good enough or as good as some other Thunderbolt dock or eGPU.

As for the Thunderbolt 2 script, isn't there some evil/quasi-legal reverse engineering method ("clean room") where one group uses your script to document what function in what library needs to be changed, then have some other group create the patch using that documentation? Even so, the first group would probably be in breach of the license agreement.

As for the wild claims, I'm not losing any money over this until it exists and someone else has tried it. That doesn't help the people who have invested in this though. So that's why we're asking the questions. It's fun to talk about new designs, ideas, and how things work but it's less fun when there's no information, or worse, false information.

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Posted by: @joevt

I just wish they could tell us what it does. I asked a bunch of questions and got no answers. If they don't have real benchmarks, and they don't tell us what chips are used, how things are connected, or how many PCIe lanes the devices use, then we can't know what to expect from it or if it's any good or at least good enough or as good as some other Thunderbolt dock or eGPU.

True, you already brought up significant questions on this thread while they weren’t banned.

Posted by: @joevt

As for the Thunderbolt 2 script, isn't there some evil/quasi-legal reverse engineering method ("clean room") where one group uses your script to document what function in what library needs to be changed, then have some other group create the patch using that documentation? Even so, the first group would probably be in breach of the license agreement.

I’m sure there are ways - I’m not aware of them and haven’t looked into it (never had a reason to). Script itself is simple enough and requires only basic understanding of shell scripting to figure out (specifically the parts that matter and the hex values).

I firmly believe that hacks/patches like these should compulsorily be open source and not a ‘product for profit’. But that’s just me. People will eventually take advantage of that - it was inevitable. Honestly looking at this now, I realize I could have done a Kickstarter with some random pre-made enclosure and just provide ‘software’ and advertise TB1/2 support and earned some pledge$ lol (this is a joke don’t do it :p).

In the grand scheme of this project, TB1/2 support is only one inkling of the myriad issues highlighted thanks to everyone’s questions. Interested to see where it all goes.

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About DisplayPort ports on the BBP - the website seems to imply that because the GPU is completely inside the enclosure, the two DisplayPort outputs are connected internally directly to the GPU. That means if the GPU has 6 outputs, you can only use two of them. Not good. That's a problem the Blackmagic eGPU has. Well, maybe they'll have a way to get to the other ports of the GPU - the provided two DisplayPort ports may be sufficient for most people's use case.

They claim it can support two 8K displays, one from the dual DisplayPort ports and one from the USB-C port (I assume that means the one downstream Thunderbolt 3 port). If there is no separate internal connection from the GPU to the Thunderbolt controller, then an 8K display from the downstream Thunderbolt 3 port can only work if both the 8K display and the GPU in the computer supports Display Stream Compression (DSC). If the GPU in the BBP supports DSC, then each DisplayPort output can connect an 8K DSC display. Otherwise a single dual cable SST non DSC 8K display can be used. So that would be three 8K displays (all DSC, one from computer, two from eGPU) or two 8K displays (one DSC from computer, one non DSC from dual DisplayPort). Of course, I'm talking about 8K60Hz. 8K30Hz can be done with a single port, non DSC. All these require DisplayPort 1.4.

The only DSC display I've seen that works in macOS is the Apple Pro Display XDR but it's Thunderbolt, so it can only be powered by the GPU of the computer. Do 8K DSC displays exist and have they been tested with macOS? The Dell UP3218K is a dual cable SST non DSC 8K60Hz display (dual cable link doesn't work in macOS) which also supports single cable 8K30Hz (works in macOS).

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Fondly remember the good old days when pranks looked like this and the whole media fell for it. 

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This one can be a good reminder of the past… Actually only for three months ago.

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I also reached out to my Thunderbolt eGFX contact at Intel. The requirements for eGFX have not changed so any new solution will have to play by the existing rules: one Thunderbolt 3 port, Titan Ridge controller is macOS compatibility only, proper PSU and enclosure cooling, etc. Let's see the eGFX certification for BBP in 2-3 weeks. Isn't it convenient that time frame puts it right past Feb. 6th, the end date of their campaign. 

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Posted by: @itsage

I also reached out to my Thunderbolt eGFX contact at Intel. The requirements for eGFX have not changed so any new solution will have to play by the existing rules: one Thunderbolt 3 port, Titan Ridge controller is macOS compatibility only, proper PSU and enclosure cooling, etc. Let's see the eGFX certification for BBP in 2-3 weeks. Isn't it convenient that time frame puts it right past Feb. 6th, the end date of their campaign. 

This is definitely a scam. I feel bad for those that backed it.

I think the post before yours by @username already is commercial use right? He basically said he used it to build the prototype for his BUSINESS, as well as mentions wholesale in the post trying to get people to support his commercial venture. I'm not a lawyer though.

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Yet another update from the project without any actual update.

If they felt the need to respond to the questions raised here and on Kickstarter - they had their chase here on egpu.io before, but they choose not to.
And they do still have an infinite number of possibilities to answer the funders questions on Kickstarter but it appears they decided not to do so.

Dear backers,

Thanks to you the support for the BlackBeast Pro on kickstarter is massive - a result we are extremely happy with going forward.

We are also fully aware of the questions and concerns that have been raised both here and on egpu.io.

Let us be clear: We would never and will never gamble with the funds and support from our backers.

You are the reason for the success so far, and that is something we don't take lightly.

Trust us when we say we are working tirelessly with our transformation from concept and prototype to production of a certified product, and we're expecting more answers in the very near future from our Thunderbolt partner regarding the finalizations of the hardware solutions. This process has unfortunately taken a little longer than expected, and thus resulting in a short delay of our planned update. What we are able tell you is that our partner (a company we've been working with since summer 2019) says an Intel certification can take place quite quickly. They even applaud the BBP and confirms its uniqueness in the current market.

About egpu.io: We think it's sad that they closed our account on their forums, leaving us with no opportunity to explain or comment on their website, nor to address allegations and concerns regarding our product. Regardless of this somewhat undemocratic behaviour, there is absolutely no doubt they have great expertise and knowledge in the field. No one can argue against that, least of all I, who approached them with my questions at the beginning of development. We take all feedback seriously, and will do our best to provide answers here at Kickstarter within the realm of protecting what cannot be unveiled due to patent matters.

We ask for your patience, and we promise to provide you with more information as soon as possible!

Some might say that this is a delaying tactic in order to prevent backers from withdrawing their funding before the 6th of february.

It isn't. This is very real, and we will continuously communicate our progress, allowing you to make an informed decision before the end of the Kickstarter.

And again, rest assured we would never gamble with the support of our backers. 🙂

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Yet another update from the project without any actual update.

Naturally - since they don’t have any real updates :p

It’s amazing to see how so many people have invested so much money without attempting to throughly understand the technology and the process(es) involved (such as certification, etc.). One positive is that it’s always great to see people support new/upcoming startups (I love the spirit) but I would at least do some serious research beforehand.

Even if by some miracle they pull this off (btw this thing is supposed to retail at 400 USD per a CES interview), at least I won’t be recommending them because we clearly know how they‘ve gotten so far:

But the highest amazement was expressed when a fairly anemic 2013 MacBook Pro became a superfast graphic performer when hooked up to the BlackBeast Pro. 

It’s running because of script (now called special software). It’s fast because of the GPU (people have done this for more than half a decade).

They definitely are skilled at... faking it (or being convincing), because it seems to be working and backers are increasing. Either way, will be amazing to see if this isn’t a scam.

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5 backers dropped out in the last 4 hours ... I was one of them! It was at 381 when I dropped out, it's at 376 now.

A friend pointed me towards it a while ago and it appears to have everything I wanted in an eGPU enclosure ... well a fully working ethernet port would put it ahead of my Core X Chroma

I completely missed all of the information on here about it, been too busy with work and all of that, and it was their "update email" that alerted me to what's going on.

Hopefully it will direct more backers here to make their own mind up about the product.

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