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Lagarhus
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@mac_editor

Thanks. The pre-certification is starting in November. We want to price our product aggressively, but also deliver a high end quality product. At launch we are targeting the $300-$350 price point. The cooling system is not yet completed, but the enclosure will have two big fans to draw cold air from the button and exhaust air from the top. Also the enclosure will be sealed to prevent noise. The prototype is very silence and in a office you can't hear it. We will make several prototypes to be shipped for reviews, but for now we are limited to Norway when we only have this one to ensure fast reviews and feedback. 

@mymantiz_john

Intel have not rejected anything, but the i/o on the website is to much (There is not possible to have both TB3 and TB2 controllers). The i/o is changed to adopt this and the PCB has enough bandwidth to operate both the eGPU, M.2 SSD, ports, Daisychain and charge at the same time. We have some exciting news about the PCB, but for now we have to come back for this.

@nando4

We are working on the name before release. Thanks for your advice!

@joevt

BlackBeast Pro PCB is equipped with two JHL7440. These support DP1.4 and with a Thunderbolt 3 cable you would be able to daisychain a Prodisplay XDR.

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joevt
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Posted by: @lagarhus

Intel have not rejected anything, but the i/o on the website is to much (There is not possible to have both TB3 and TB2 controllers). The i/o is changed to adopt this and the PCB has enough bandwidth to operate both the eGPU, M.2 SSD, ports, Daisychain and charge at the same time. We have some exciting news about the PCB, but for now we have to come back for this.

I don't think the TB2 will be missed because there exists the Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter for connecting Thunderbolt 2 hosts and devices. This will save cost and PCB space. Daisychain is interesting. Daisychain is not something Intel has certified before in an eGPU (except the BlackMagic eGPUs - I don't know how that happened - maybe because Apple was involved which doesn't seem fair to other eGPU manufactures except for the fact that the BlackMagic eGPU is crippled by a non-upgradable GPU). Daisychain exists only internally in eGPUs that have two Thunderbolt controllers. On the other hand, daisychain is easy to do by using any Thunderbolt PCIe expansion box that has two Thunderbolt 3 ports instead of an eGPU box.

Posted by: @lagarhus

BlackBeast Pro PCB is equipped with two JHL7440. These support DP1.4 and with a Thunderbolt 3 cable you would be able to daisychain a Prodisplay XDR.

Yes, but the XDR would not be controlled by the eGPU. If I connect the BlackBeast Pro to my Mac Mini 2018, I would not be able to get 6K resolution from the XDR since the iGPU supports only DisplayPort 1.2. The XDR needs to be driven by two DisplayPort 1.4 signals sent over Thunderbolt 3 from a DisplayPort 1.4 capable GPU.

 

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Lagarhus
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@joevt

The reason why BlackMagic eGPU supports daisy chain is because the graphic card is soldered to the PCB itself and therefore you have enough bandwidth to daisy chain an external display (Display running through the gpu). The others upgradeable enclosures installs the GPU with PCIe and when attaching a external monitor to the enclosure there is not enough bandwidth to run both the GPU and a external monitor through daisychain at a acceptable level. By have one dedicated Thunderbolt controller to the GPU only and one for the M.2, ports and daisychain you will be able to have enough bandwidth to run both the GPU, hard drives, ports and daisy chain. To maximize the performance you need two TB cables (Tested on MacBook Air).

To the XDR. We have not yet tested the prototype with a 6K or higher display, but we will get to that later when we are releasing more info on the PCB (Yet to be finalized).

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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joevt
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Posted by: @lagarhus

The reason why BlackMagic eGPU supports daisy chain is because the graphic card is soldered to the PCB itself and therefore you have enough bandwidth to daisy chain an external display (Display running through the gpu).

Yeah..., no.

PCIe is PCIe whether there's a PCIe slot or not. GPUs don't have an alternative connection for PCIe (or the Thunderbolt controller does not have an alternative to PCIe for connecting a GPU). Soldering makes no difference. People have used Thunderbolt 3 expansion boxes with GPUs and daisy chaining without issue (or with no more problems than what the BlackMagic eGPUs have).

As for XDR, you can do the math: 6K resolution, 10 bpc, 60Hz requires more bandwidth than dual DisplayPort 1.2 (used by 5K, 10 bpc, 60Hz displays) which is more bandwidth than DisplayPort 1.4 (without DSC - I don't think macOS supports DSC). Therefore dual DisplayPort 1.4 is required. Only Macs with an AMD dGPU + Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 will be able to drive the display. If someone made an eGPU with DisplayPort inputs, Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 controller, and two Thunderbolt 3 ports then it would be able to use any Thunderbolt 3 or USB-C display no matter what computer they have. I would understand if you brought up the idea with Intel and they said no. It might be better to make a device that has those features without the GPU because some GPUs might be able to drive more than one dual DisplayPort Thunderbolt 3 display and you would need a Thunderbolt 3 controller for each such display. But your BlackBeast Pro has more than one Thunderbolt 3 controller, so you could have four DisplayPort inputs! Then the BlackBeast Pro would be able to drive two XDR displays like Apple's new AMD Radeon Pro 580X and AMD Radeon Pro Vega II MPX modules. The idea is to bring some of the new Mac Pro's features to other Macs.

 

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ttamnogard
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Following... while I currently am using a 2018 MM as my test bed, I'm struggling to find the use case for this (for those of us who are windows dependent for some of our workflow) that won't either require a Mac Pro (which in itself would have enough head room to manage the GPU on board) or a high end MBP which will require bootcampdrivers custom loads. Is there a roadmap for software to help marry the MBP world or are you marching towards a hardware offering only?

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itsage
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Here's my comprehension of the main specs and features. Hopefully without the marketing fluff, we can understand what your product aims to deliver.

  • Price range: $300-$350 for eGPU enclosure only, graphics card not included
  • Thunderbolt 3 Controller: 2x JHL7440 that run separately through 2x TB3 controller connections
  • Max Bandwidth: x4 PCIe 3.0, TB3 capped at 22Gbps per Thunderbolt 3 connection
  • Certification: starting in November; this process may take over a year
  • Expansion I/O: NVMe M.2, Ethernet and USB-A ports that uses separate TB3 controller connection
  • TB3 monitor output: daisy-chain through the 3rd TB3 port, powered by iGPU or dGPU

This is all possible and most of these specs have been implemented by existing eGPU enclosures. Twice the speed of a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure claim is inaccurate. Your approach is to run two parallel Thunderbolt 3 connections to a host computer with two Thunderbolt 3 controllers end-to-end, not combining 2x TB3 controllers to double the eGPU bandwidth. Users have the choices of either one 22Gbps that both eGPU and expansion I/O share or one 22Gbps dedicated to eGPU and another dedicated to expansion I/O.

My recommendation is to be transparent with your development process and you'll gain our community support. I wish you the best with Intel eGFX certification. If you make it to CES20, I'll be there to check it out in person and provide hands-on coverage.

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itsage
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https://www.reddit.com/user/Lagarhus/ posted his product updates on many subreddits but did not pay us a visit. This is another vaporware crowdfunding project.

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Eightarmedpet
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@itsage I feel his intentions are more honest than the last crowd funded eGPU but his goal is to be the boss of a great tech company. I don’t think he has any interest or understanding of the actual tech, which is the problem. 

 

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Lagarhus
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@itsage

We haven't forgotten the eGPU, but the R&D process have taken some longer time than expected. We wanted to surprise the forum with an exclusive update (Show off the real thing) and will return later this week. I will include a much more technical and detailed post than the Reddit posts.

@Eightarmedpet

Thanks for your comment. I disagree with I don't have any interest in Thunderbolt. The idea started when I bought a MacBook Pro 2016 with TB3 ports. I had high (Really high) expectations and the result was lack of ports and underpowered. I wanted a desktop experience, but still be portable. The products available today does not fit my needs so I decided to fulfill my "dream".

Sure, I did not have enough knowledge about the Thunderbolt technology in the beginning (Considering the first post), but with the feedback from the eGPU.io, reddit, facebook and the emails from the website, we have additional done a lot of research and testing of the Thunderbolt and eGPU's. 

I will summaries everything in the coming post later this week. (Planned Friday).

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