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I found a short discussion about it. 
does not say much though. 
I’ll dig some and see if I can get access to read it via my office.

https://www.diskusjon.no/topic/1864447-tobias-21-svarer-på-anklager-om-svindel-og-lureri-med-egpu-løsning-ekstra/

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Fully unlocked article about BBP, eGPU.io banning, purge-wrangler copyright infringement, TB2 support

https://www.digi.no/artikler/tobias-21-svarer-pa-anklager-om-svindel-og-lureri-med-egpu-losning/483089?key=U8qjibtA&fbclid=IwAR29BiW3al86QSJGl6NVbjzxWFepXB5IbA1F22wi5TVH8g9EJRx5x29ACps

Norwegian-English translated:

BLACKBEAST PRO FROM LAGARHUS PRODUCTS

Tobias, 21, answers charges of fraud and fraud with eGPU solution

The young entrepreneur Tobias Lagarhus has been expelled from the expert forum, where he is also accused of violating license conditions.

21-year-old Tobias Lagarhus is now banned from the eGPU.io enthusiast forum. The picture was taken earlier when the founder visited our editorial offices in Oslo. (Photo: Odd Richard Valmot)
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  • JAN 17 2020 – 13:29
 

Tobias Lagarhus (21) and his company Lagarhus Products have received commendable press coverage in a number of Norwegian newspapers for their upcoming Blackbeast Pro (BBP).

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Now he has to respond to allegations of fraud and license violations.

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In short, the young entrepreneur develops a docking station with eGPU, or a box of space to insert an external graphics card if you want.

It should provide great muscle power to otherwise weak laptops. However, there are many eGPU solutions. The uniqueness of BBP’s laws are dual Thunderbolt 3 controllers that are supposed to provide higher performance.

Last week, Tobias presented prototypes at his own stand during CES 2020, the world’s largest consumer technology fair in Las Vegas.

Also on the tour to promote the innovation were mother, father and two younger siblings. The family business has received 700,000 in support from Innovation Norway. The project has also raised a million kroner on Kickstarter, which is more than four times the stated goal.

The CES participation went brilliantly, according to the 21-year-old. But on the closing day of the fair, there also came wormwood in the cup.

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Tobias Lagarhus has received the quotes from this interview and the allegations against his company for review. 

He replies that he thinks formulations such as fraud and license violations are inappropriate and unnecessary. He also gives a general consideration, which we choose to reproduce under the word:

“It’s probably easy to point a finger at us, and maybe overlook the fact that we are a small company presenting a product that, to some extent, the established experts are against. If you think back in the development of data, it is well a number of cases in which a small company or founder has come up with ideas and concepts that are judged below and home by the established expertise, but which then prove to have the right of life at the expense of just “the established”. dozens of such examples?

Then I cannot fail to address the issue of patents. We have consulted legal expertise in this area, and also had good dialogue with other founders. The answer is pretty clear: Patents are expensive, very time-consuming and labor-intensive and, most importantly, small start-up companies have little or no opportunity to defend their patents, either temporally, resource-wise or financially. The advice becomes clear: Keep the details close to your chest, use the advantage of being small and quick, and keep the lead you have as long as possible to get, and keep, this lead on the bigger and established ones.

Finally, in general: We get quite a few requests to “stand up” and warnings that we will get a lot of crap and resistance that tends to bully. And we can observe that the votes are good …! “

Tobias has been banned from the eGPU.io enthusiast forum , where he has been engaged for a long time to get constructive feedback and shed light on what he is working on. On Friday last week, the user account was suspended, following charges of fraud and suspected license breach.

This happens after the forum administrator himself went to CES to take a closer look at the product, which has aroused enthusiasm and skepticism. Critics doubt whether it is possible to deliver the promised functionality. In the forum statement we can read:

– Our community has been patient with Lagarhus Products, before attending CES 2020 to investigate the Blackbeast Pro for a final verdict (after more than six months). It’s nothing but a huge unpolished plastic box, which hides unknown Thunderbolt 3 cards and components inside.

The forum administrator claims that Lagarhus avoids all relevant technical issues. He also believes that Lagarhus has taken the Purge-Wrangler script , which was written by a moderator in the same forum, and used it commercially, although the license explicitly prohibits it.

Several former supporters of the Kickstarter campaign have withdrawn their support for the BNP following the critical posts.

– Understand that there are critical questions

Tobias Lagarhus is currently in Los Angeles. We have a chat with him on the phone. The time is then closer to midnight in the megabye, which has nine hours time difference to Norway.

– Your user account on the forum is blocked and you are labeled as junk. What do you think about it?

– eGPU is a forum with a lot of expertise and years of experience. We who want to change the use of external graphics cards come with an innovative product. Then I realize that there are critical questions, but I think it is important to take into account that the response to CES has been above all expectations, he says.

The 21-year-old says that CES provided an insane response, both from individuals and larger companies. They carried 5000 flyers, but ran out.

– We have not promoted ourselves to the big players, but when Dell, HP, Western Digital and others manage to find our small stand at Eureka Park, we have done something right. But then there are always some critical questions. I understand that in a way.

– But we asked you about the exclusion from the forum?

– I’ve also seen that the account is blocked. It’s a shame of course. But really, I think it’s due to a misunderstanding. Further in the forum it appears that exclusion as junk is based on our lack of knowledge about Thunderbolt. The misconception here is that we are partnering with the largest companies within Thunderbolt to realize this product and get it certified and out in the market.

Tobias adds that he is not allowed to comment or defend himself in the forum now, naturally enough. Instead, he refers to comments on the Kickstarter campaign, which he earns from the fact that others support them and take the company’s side.

– Is there any hold on the allegations about you in the forum?

– Hold on and hold. The thing with eGPU.io is that this is their field. Nobody can take them away. They have long experience with eGPU and I joined them. It should be said that everyone on that thread goes under anonymous names, which makes it difficult to have a constructive conversation with them.

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Lagarhus Products is accused in the forum of using the Purge-Wrangler script without permission. The script was written by one of the forum’s own moderators to provide eGPU support on older Macs.

Officially, Apple supports the use of external graphics processor only on devices with Thunderbolt 3. Purge Wrangler opens the opportunity for those with older Thunderbolt ports as well. 

– The script is issued with a license for personal use. Commercial use is explicitly prohibited. What do you have to say about it?

– As I have written, this is not something we have even thought of. We’re going to have official support from Apple and Intel through our Thunderbolt partner, so here again there’s a misunderstanding.

We go back and forth with questions, without Tobias really answering the allegation made about a license violation.

– I can say that there have been many prototypes. I mean, at the first, I probably wrote that we were using a script. The prototypes we had at CES were not used. Then we use special software, which is why we do not want to share it with the whole world, and why we do not open the box or share information about anything. You could say that a lot has happened since the idea first came into existence and a fairly rapid development.

– Can you deny that you used the Purge-Wrangler script?

– We have not used the code in a commercial context, no.

– What do you think is the reason for the reactions in the forum?

– eGPU-io are people who have expertise in external graphics cards. They have been working on this for many years. Then someone will do something different and innovative. Then there will be critical questions.

The forum moderator, who has developed the Purge-Wrangler, chose to report GDP to Kickstarter. Screenshot: Post from eGPU.io

– Do you disagree with the claim that you may have broken the license to use the script?

– Yes, I disagree with that. He (the creator) also does not want to go ahead with this, because there is no hold in it. You can read that at the bottom of the forum post . It is also a bit unfair of him to post the reporting of us, as he did to Kickstarter, when Kickstarter has actually refused it, says Tobias Lagarhus.

– Dialogue with Intel and Apple

We continue with questions that BBP claims to support the use of external graphics cards even on older Macbooks and Mac mini, without Thunderbolt 3. Although Apple does not support this. How is it possible?

– We partner with Intel and Apple through leading companies on Thunderbolt to get official support for Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt 2. We have been told that the reason why there is no official support for Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 is that the solutions that being out in the market today is not good enough. They use one cable while we use two. It is also the core of our product.

– Can you document or prove the dialogue with Intel and Apple to get such support?

– Yes, but it’s under the NDA (secret disclosure agreement), so it’s not something I can go into detail about. What I can say is that I have been in attendance today (Tuesday) and will be meeting again this Thursday to finalize and certify the product.

People have been asking about entire component lists and how the product works. Tobias says he understands that doubts arise when they hold back such information, but that these are things they cannot go out with.

– We are a small company that brings something completely out of the box. That is why we want to keep the cards close to our chest until we have it in production.

For the same reason, Lagarhus will not disclose who they meet, but goes on to confirm that it is the reason he is in Los Angeles now.

– Votes. It’s not just vacation that’s why I’m here.

Double check

There are a variety of different eGPU products on the market. It has been doing this for years. What unique GDP claims to have is its solution with dual Thunderbolt controllers.

In Kickstarter marketing, you see computer generated images of a dedicated chip, with its own GDP name on. Does this mean that the company will make, or have had, their own chipset created?

No, it doesn’t. If we understand Tobias right, then the circuit board will be manufactured in Horten in Norway, but the chips will come from Intel. Power supplies, fans and cables are also purchased from abroad.

– Today, [others in the market] use one chip and one cable for all-in-one graphics solution docking stations, but that doesn’t provide enough bandwidth. So what we do is supplement with a dedicated chip dedicated to the graphics card. That chip runs on Titan Ridge, Intel’s new chipset that supports DisplayPort 1.4, which allows us to get up to 8K resolution. In addition, we also have another controller in the box, which takes care of everything else. We talk then ports, hard drives and external monitor – or daisy chain (multiple device serial connection) then.

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Both Intel chips are of the JHL 7440 Thunderbolt 3 (Titan Ridge) type control, according to the 21-year-old.

– We use the Titan Ridge chips and connect them in a special way. How the circuit board is built is the whole core of the product we make, he says.

Tobias further claims that the chip was developed in collaboration with a Thunderbolt company he does not want to name – and in dialogue with Apple and Intel.

– I understand that people are a bit skeptical, but as I mentioned earlier, we have to keep things close. The phase we are in now is critical, so we should rather come back with more information later.

Max theoretical performance

In theory, the product should be able to deliver up to 40 Gbps which is equivalent to 5 gigabytes / s. It follows from the Thunderbolt 3 specification. In practice, overhead reduces the performance of a TB3 port.

Here it is also worth noting that a modern graphics card with PCIe gen. 3.0 x16 has four times as high bandwidth (126 Gbps) as possible with Thunderbolt 3. The cable the eGPU solution is based on will thus quickly become a bottleneck.

There may also be other bottlenecks, such as some Thunderbolt 3 laptops have only two PCIe paths, not four.

Such conditions are absent in marketing. Instead, we can read about BBP that the product has “twice as many PCI Express lanes as existing (eGPU) solutions” in the market.

– You will not get more bandwidth, it stops at 40 Gbps, but you get twice as many PCIe lanes, a total of 8 pieces (lanes), states Tobias Lagarhus.

The bandwidth will of course be reduced if the connected computer has Thunderbolt 2, where the maximum theoretical bandwidth is 20 Gbps.

– Are all the up to 8 PCIe circuits combined and dedicated to the graphics card you put in a GDP?

– We work with our Thunderbolt partner to get 8 lanes combined. It is a demanding task, but we get it in our prototype. We are now working to get it certified.

– Certification is a process that can take over a year, have we read?

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– It’s totally wrong. If someone tries to do this themselves, it will of course take longer, but here we use professional partners. The biggest within Thunderbolt, which has also produced an incredible number of PCBs that are certified, and with dialogue with Apple and Intel, the road is much shorter, says Tobias.

Friday morning he gives us the following update by email:

– Just back from meeting with leading Thunderbolt supplier regarding GDP here in LA. We have received further confirmation that our design is unique and that the certification period can be down to 2-3 weeks (!) With an established supplier. This feedback makes us even more confident that BBP will be an attractive product that can be delivered within the specified time period.

Must keep schedule

The product should be ready for release in June 2020. Tobias confirms that they are in good shape.

– There we are well within the schedule, as he says.

What milestones do you have to go through before that time?

– It is to achieve certification and get the product in production with tooling and that bit. There we have a good and solid plan that we follow.

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So they do not use the script, they do not have a working development board of their own yet but they have anyway managed to enable eGPUs on legacy products.

And from scratch via an external hardware developer creating an unique product and then turn it into an Intel certified product in 2-3 weeks would be extremely impressive so say the least.

As I have understood Intels cert procedure - the only way to speed it up is to use a white box solution. That is an existing product developed and already certified by someone but now rebadged or repackaged. A unique clean slate product does not reach a certification in a couple of weeks. 

Or have I misunderstood anything?

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What are the chances that this random 21 year old who until this had no presence in the market/community actually manages to pull this off? 
I’m imagining not much, but would love to be proven wrong. 

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@eightarmedpet Read through his posts from when he started this project. He had no clue how Thunderbolt 3 eGFX works. His initial render of the product was almost identical to the 2013 Mac Pro with a mix of Thunderbolt 2 and Thunderbolt 3 ports. Until this very day, the only eGFX product with more than one Thunderbolt 3 port is the Blackmagic eGPU/Pro. Intel made an exception on that product because it’s strictly advertised for macOS compatibility. As a matter of fact, no Titan Ridge eGFX is currently advertised as compatible with both macOS and Windows hosts.

This guy is promising people 3x Thunderbolt 3 ports on an eGFX that has 2x Titan Ridge controllers hosting the eGPU on one and NVMe + 10GbE + expansion ports on the other. While he’s at it, he grants older Mac users native eGPU support in macOS too. Call me skeptical but I fail to see how a new comer that relies on government grants and crowd-funding can dictate two of the most powerful tech companies into doing things they have not agreed to do before. His answers as always don’t address the issue at hand. I work in digital marketing during the day and I can spot a bullshitter when I see one. 

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oh no, I totally agree, I think he's actually deluded and believes he may be able to pull this off. I wonder how he will announce each promise thats broken (official TB2 support).

But also, wouldn't it be crazy if he did pull it off...

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...Call me skeptical but I fail to see how a new comer that relies on government grants and crowd-funding can dictate two of the most powerful tech companies into doing things they have not agreed to do
before. His answers as always don't address the issue at hand. I work in digital marketing during the day and I can spot a bullshitter when I see one.

I have spent half my life in advertising and news corporations and my conclusions are 100% aligned with yours. 

Both revolution and evolution happens around us. But there are basically nothing in his pitch, statements, technical brief, modelling, answers that offer any trustworthy appearance. 

There are so much he could explain without breaching any NDA. 
He could tell us about development challenges. So far there appears to be none  

He could explain the 650 watt of heat dissipation. So far heat simply disappears with a single fan mounted the wrong way.

He could show us a complete CAD model of the case as they will ship a unit in 5 months. So far he have shown a 3D printed shell with what appears to be an acetone treated back side panel.

Ha could begin to correct all technical errors on the site that he have been notified about.

He could show us real live recorded unedited authentic benchmarks. 

He have chosen not to. Time and time again. 

He actually does everything for us to NOT trust him. And nothing at all to trust him. 

That is sad. Because if they manage to create this eGFX solution and have it certified by Intel and have Apple to add support for their legacy and abandoned hardware for the announced price range - it is truly a revolution. 
Why work so hard against building trustworthiness? 

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@nando4 thank you for sharing. It seems that another kind user shared a link with me which unlocks the website but was unable to login to egpu.io. Please look into error 522 for logins.

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– Do you disagree with the claim that you may have broken the license to use the script?

– Yes, I disagree with that. He (the creator) also does not want to go ahead with this, because there is no hold in it. You can read that at the bottom of the forum post . It is also a bit unfair of him to post the reporting of us, as he did to Kickstarter, when Kickstarter has actually refused it, says Tobias Lagarhus.

Since other sources seem to be following this thread, I thought I'd address some points.

People (and especially those that deal with software) should really get themselves acquainted with how open source software works and what licenses mean. The main thing in this case the licenses protect are the patches (2/3 hex values basically). Just using those in special software is a violation of license. If they are using Apple/Intel certified software, then I'm wrong - cool. But given the admission of using a script (suddenly it is 'a script') and disabling SIP (clearly not Apple software, that has exceptions to modify system files using special entitlements), its clear there's more to it than meets the eye. I already pointed out to LP before that portions of script can also not be used in any other way without permission (details in license). It's simpler to apply licenses to entire projects than some of its components (which would have to specified once each). If they really want me to file a DMCA claim, I sure can if I feel like it.

We have been told that the reason why there is no official support for Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 is that the solutions that being out in the market today is not good enough. They use one cable while we use two. It is also the core of our product.

Need slow claps for this one: using 'two devices in one' is the same as 'using two devices'. Ultimately it is consuming an extra Thunderbolt port which could have been used for another device at same speed. By this logic, any enclosure with no other ports (Sonnet boxes for example) should be compatible since they use one less TB port and provide same bandwidth as BBP for eGPU. Oh, and guess what their most popular pledge offer is:

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That provides one Thunderbolt cable. Quite the core of their product having two cables. Meaning only the eGPU or the peripheral devices will work, not both - depending on how its plugged in (since there are two devices in one). Won't be surprised if they changed this after seeing this post.

Today, [others in the market] use one chip and one cable for all-in-one graphics solution docking stations, but that doesn’t provide enough bandwidth.

Wrong. Dual-controller eGFX are out there already - the only difference here is different connection, hence 'two devices in one' (macOS system information will show 2 separate devices).

You will not get more bandwidth, it stops at 40 Gbps, but you get twice as many PCIe lanes, a total of 8 pieces (lanes), states Tobias Lagarhus.

Anyone can compute 4+4. You don't 'get' anything - two devices connected to two Thunderbolt ports (presumably different controllers) obviously get 4 lanes each (they are two devices).

We work with our Thunderbolt partner to get 8 lanes combined. It is a demanding task, but we get it in our prototype. We are now working to get it certified.

It would be cool if this would happen, but they should read @nando4's thunderbolt analysis that explains what the real bottleneck is: https://egpu.io/forums/builds/2015-15-dell-precision-7510-q-m1000m-6th4ch-gtx-1080-ti-32gbps-m2-adt-link-r43sg-win10-1803-nando4-compared-to-tb3-performance/

@joevt also already tested SSDs in RAID 0 IIRC over Thunderbolt 3 and performance was much less than expected. So even if true, the benefits are questionable.

And let's not forget that all these 'disclosures' (which reveal nothing new and we already had this much figured out) were behind a paywalled article. Many thanks to those who provided access to this article.

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This guy is promising people 3x Thunderbolt 3 ports on an eGFX that has 2x Titan Ridge controllers hosting the eGPU on one and NVMe + 10GbE + expansion ports on the other. While he’s at it, he grants older Mac users native eGPU support in macOS too. Call me skeptical but I fail to see how a new comer that relies on government grants and crowd-funding can dictate two of the most powerful tech companies into doing things they have not agreed to do before. His answers as always don’t address the issue at hand. I work in digital marketing during the day and I can spot a bullshitter when I see one. 

...summarizes the final thoughts on this.

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We can tear every single one of his non-specific answer apart with concrete evidence. For example, the only non-Thunderbolt 3 Mac that can theoretically take advantage of the dual Thunderbolt connection to this BBP is the 2013 Mac Pro. It has three Thunderbolt 2 controllers/buses through an x8 PCIe 3.0 connection via a PCIe switch. They brought a 2014 13″ MacBook Pro to CES 2020 and thought they could fool everyone because it connected to the BBP with two separate Thunderbolt cables. Guess what, those two TB2 ports share the same Thunderbolt controller and completely negate the dual Thunderbolt connection performance advantage. Do you think Apple engineers can be fooled this easily?

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That provides one Thunderbolt cable. Quite the core of their product having two cables. Meaning only the eGPU or the peripheral devices will work, not both - depending on how its plugged in (since there are two devices in one). Won't be surprised if they changed this after seeing this post.

Unlikely. They didn't change that when I mentioned it a month ago
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/blackbeast-pro-thunderbolt-egpu/paged/3/#post-71178

I don't mind the design so much. A dock and eGPU in the same box. Ok. Cool. That's new and useful. Might save some desktop space. Might look cleaner. As for cooling issues, it's not the first eGPU that people may want to improve with a new power supply or fan.

I just wish they could tell us what it does. I asked a bunch of questions and got no answers. If they don't have real benchmarks, and they don't tell us what chips are used, how things are connected, or how many PCIe lanes the devices use, then we can't know what to expect from it or if it's any good or at least good enough or as good as some other Thunderbolt dock or eGPU.

As for the Thunderbolt 2 script, isn't there some evil/quasi-legal reverse engineering method ("clean room") where one group uses your script to document what function in what library needs to be changed, then have some other group create the patch using that documentation? Even so, the first group would probably be in breach of the license agreement.

As for the wild claims, I'm not losing any money over this until it exists and someone else has tried it. That doesn't help the people who have invested in this though. So that's why we're asking the questions. It's fun to talk about new designs, ideas, and how things work but it's less fun when there's no information, or worse, false information.

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Posted by: @joevt

I just wish they could tell us what it does. I asked a bunch of questions and got no answers. If they don't have real benchmarks, and they don't tell us what chips are used, how things are connected, or how many PCIe lanes the devices use, then we can't know what to expect from it or if it's any good or at least good enough or as good as some other Thunderbolt dock or eGPU.

True, you already brought up significant questions on this thread while they weren’t banned.

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As for the Thunderbolt 2 script, isn't there some evil/quasi-legal reverse engineering method ("clean room") where one group uses your script to document what function in what library needs to be changed, then have some other group create the patch using that documentation? Even so, the first group would probably be in breach of the license agreement.

I’m sure there are ways - I’m not aware of them and haven’t looked into it (never had a reason to). Script itself is simple enough and requires only basic understanding of shell scripting to figure out (specifically the parts that matter and the hex values).

I firmly believe that hacks/patches like these should compulsorily be open source and not a ‘product for profit’. But that’s just me. People will eventually take advantage of that - it was inevitable. Honestly looking at this now, I realize I could have done a Kickstarter with some random pre-made enclosure and just provide ‘software’ and advertise TB1/2 support and earned some pledge$ lol (this is a joke don’t do it :p).

In the grand scheme of this project, TB1/2 support is only one inkling of the myriad issues highlighted thanks to everyone’s questions. Interested to see where it all goes.

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About DisplayPort ports on the BBP - the website seems to imply that because the GPU is completely inside the enclosure, the two DisplayPort outputs are connected internally directly to the GPU. That means if the GPU has 6 outputs, you can only use two of them. Not good. That's a problem the Blackmagic eGPU has. Well, maybe they'll have a way to get to the other ports of the GPU - the provided two DisplayPort ports may be sufficient for most people's use case.

They claim it can support two 8K displays, one from the dual DisplayPort ports and one from the USB-C port (I assume that means the one downstream Thunderbolt 3 port). If there is no separate internal connection from the GPU to the Thunderbolt controller, then an 8K display from the downstream Thunderbolt 3 port can only work if both the 8K display and the GPU in the computer supports Display Stream Compression (DSC). If the GPU in the BBP supports DSC, then each DisplayPort output can connect an 8K DSC display. Otherwise a single dual cable SST non DSC 8K display can be used. So that would be three 8K displays (all DSC, one from computer, two from eGPU) or two 8K displays (one DSC from computer, one non DSC from dual DisplayPort). Of course, I'm talking about 8K60Hz. 8K30Hz can be done with a single port, non DSC. All these require DisplayPort 1.4.

The only DSC display I've seen that works in macOS is the Apple Pro Display XDR but it's Thunderbolt, so it can only be powered by the GPU of the computer. Do 8K DSC displays exist and have they been tested with macOS? The Dell UP3218K is a dual cable SST non DSC 8K60Hz display (dual cable link doesn't work in macOS) which also supports single cable 8K30Hz (works in macOS).

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Fondly remember the good old days when pranks looked like this and the whole media fell for it. 

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This one can be a good reminder of the past… Actually only for three months ago.

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I also reached out to my Thunderbolt eGFX contact at Intel. The requirements for eGFX have not changed so any new solution will have to play by the existing rules: one Thunderbolt 3 port, Titan Ridge controller is macOS compatibility only, proper PSU and enclosure cooling, etc. Let’s see the eGFX certification for BBP in 2-3 weeks. Isn’t it convenient that time frame puts it right past Feb. 6th, the end date of their campaign. 

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I also reached out to my Thunderbolt eGFX contact at Intel. The requirements for eGFX have not changed so any new solution will have to play by the existing rules: one Thunderbolt 3 port, Titan Ridge controller is macOS compatibility only, proper PSU and enclosure cooling, etc. Let's see the eGFX certification for BBP in 2-3 weeks. Isn't it convenient that time frame puts it right past Feb. 6th, the end date of their campaign. 

This is definitely a scam. I feel bad for those that backed it.

I think the post before yours by @username already is commercial use right? He basically said he used it to build the prototype for his BUSINESS, as well as mentions wholesale in the post trying to get people to support his commercial venture. I'm not a lawyer though.

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Yet another update from the project without any actual update.

If they felt the need to respond to the questions raised here and on Kickstarter - they had their chase here on egpu.io before, but they choose not to.
And they do still have an infinite number of possibilities to answer the funders questions on Kickstarter but it appears they decided not to do so.

Dear backers,

Thanks to you the support for the BlackBeast Pro on kickstarter is massive - a result we are extremely happy with going forward.

We are also fully aware of the questions and concerns that have been raised both here and on egpu.io.

Let us be clear: We would never and will never gamble with the funds and support from our backers.

You are the reason for the success so far, and that is something we don't take lightly.

Trust us when we say we are working tirelessly with our transformation from concept and prototype to production of a certified product, and we're expecting more answers in the very near future from our Thunderbolt partner regarding the finalizations of the hardware solutions. This process has unfortunately taken a little longer than expected, and thus resulting in a short delay of our planned update. What we are able tell you is that our partner (a company we've been working with since summer 2019) says an Intel certification can take place quite quickly. They even applaud the BBP and confirms its uniqueness in the current market.

About egpu.io: We think it's sad that they closed our account on their forums, leaving us with no opportunity to explain or comment on their website, nor to address allegations and concerns regarding our product. Regardless of this somewhat undemocratic behaviour, there is absolutely no doubt they have great expertise and knowledge in the field. No one can argue against that, least of all I, who approached them with my questions at the beginning of development. We take all feedback seriously, and will do our best to provide answers here at Kickstarter within the realm of protecting what cannot be unveiled due to patent matters.

We ask for your patience, and we promise to provide you with more information as soon as possible!

Some might say that this is a delaying tactic in order to prevent backers from withdrawing their funding before the 6th of february.

It isn't. This is very real, and we will continuously communicate our progress, allowing you to make an informed decision before the end of the Kickstarter.

And again, rest assured we would never gamble with the support of our backers. 🙂

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Yet another update from the project without any actual update.

Naturally - since they don’t have any real updates :p

It’s amazing to see how so many people have invested so much money without attempting to throughly understand the technology and the process(es) involved (such as certification, etc.). One positive is that it’s always great to see people support new/upcoming startups (I love the spirit) but I would at least do some serious research beforehand.

Even if by some miracle they pull this off (btw this thing is supposed to retail at 400 USD per a CES interview), at least I won’t be recommending them because we clearly know how they‘ve gotten so far:

But the highest amazement was expressed when a fairly anemic 2013 MacBook Pro became a superfast graphic performer when hooked up to the BlackBeast Pro. 

It’s running because of script (now called special software). It’s fast because of the GPU (people have done this for more than half a decade).

They definitely are skilled at... faking it (or being convincing), because it seems to be working and backers are increasing. Either way, will be amazing to see if this isn’t a scam.

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5 backers dropped out in the last 4 hours ... I was one of them! It was at 381 when I dropped out, it's at 376 now.

A friend pointed me towards it a while ago and it appears to have everything I wanted in an eGPU enclosure ... well a fully working ethernet port would put it ahead of my Core X Chroma

I completely missed all of the information on here about it, been too busy with work and all of that, and it was their "update email" that alerted me to what's going on.

Hopefully it will direct more backers here to make their own mind up about the product.

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@frankle Thank you for the report. I get that breakthrough ideas and products are closely guarded for their big reveal. What has happened with this BBP project is the complete opposite. They fished for ideas from our community because they had no clue about Thunderbolt 3 eGFX. They promised features that are not officially certified/granted by Intel and Apple. They showed a plastic box with no functional ports and provided no technical specification of components used. They spammed many sub Reddits to get coverage and build their mailing list. They offered a referral program to further draw uninformed users into the Kickstarter campaign.

Let me share another fact I’ve learnt in the past four years working with Intel and Thunderbolt 3 partners. It’s not a high profit category because of costly R&D and low sales volume. In fact Intel has provided financial assistance on a number of eGFXs such as the PowerColor/VisionTek mini eGFX. Ask yourself why Intel hasn’t done the same if this BBP project is such a breakthrough solution. Personally I inquired TUL about doing a crowd-funding eGFX specifically for eGPU.io community before. After learning about all the technical hurdles and costs, I quickly disregarded that idea.

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I'd love an eGPU.io egpu, god knows what beast the community would come up with (I would imagine dual PCIe slots for the vocal minority).

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@itsage

As a new member of this forum I believe someone should take a moment to commend your maturity, respect, professionalism and approach regarding this travesty of a scam. You never stepped out of line and only said what was necessary using your actions as a finale when it was crucial. Bravo.

@mac_editor

Coming from a family of lawyers and being involved with legal work myself, I can tell you that it would not be unwise to take legal action early rather than late. I believe, and it is my opinion, that it is your duty as the developer and creator to protect the open source component of your fantastic contribution to the community.

"I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war."

- Albert Einstein

 

And to both of you and other mods, contributors and members on this fantastic forum, I understand life gets in the way, but I think all of us here can agree that we are all having shower thoughts of when we will see in the pole position of the eGPU.io recommended enclosure threads the "it's-a-beast-pro, (no it's itsage and the gang), eGPU.io enclosure v1.0". You have my pledge unconditionally for everything you have all offered to us out of the goodness of your hearts and that is something I will always support.

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@zpro

Thank you for your thoughts, advice, and kind words.

The reason I haven’t taken any legal action is that the process probably entails non-trivial fees (DMCA takedown is free but easily disputed). I’m in a transitionary stage of my life - switching cities (both not in home country so no straightforward family support), from college to (first) job, etc. Financially, this exact time is just not a good time. I could have done something if I was already working/earning - I start next week. 

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Down to 352 now. 29 gone in a day ... I think that's a very telling sign.

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We are taking a step back

 
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January 27, 2020

We would like to thank all our backers who believe in our product!

As of today, 27 January 2020, we have reached  approximately 350 backers for our BlackBeast Pro on Kickstarter - which we consider a satisfying result. The feedback from our presence at CES also gave further proof that BlackBeast Pro is a product that creates enthusiasm and "want-to-have". It is evident that a large majority of backers really want this product to succeed, and the progress towards the first production version is satisfactory.  We are fully aware of the challenge of moving from concept and prototyping to full scale production. This is a difficult part, and much easier said than done, but we have been moving "full steam ahead", doing our utmost to ensure that this process is effective and successful.

Assessment of the present situation.

With the benefit of hindsight, we must conclude that we should have been closer to the final production version of BlackBeast Pro before making the design and features of our product public. Even though we have much admiration for the "open financing tool", so aptly provided by Kickstarter, we must admit that we should have chosen other, more traditional financing sources, thereby avoiding the discussion about disclosure of technical specifications, intellectual property/patents issues etc. It is a fact that BlackBeast Pro is designed by a small company with inadequate financial resources to legally register patents for our product, or to protect such patents in court, if infringed upon. This is not so special, as most small companies faces this dilemma, but it is a matter of fact one has to live with.

Another area where we would have benefited from a different approach, is to secure rights to disseminate detailed information about our cooperation with a leading Thunderbolt solutions provider, both in refining/supplementing software, as well as in securing timely certification. It would have been better to have a more formal "joint venture".

Based on the above, we have - regretfully - decided to cancel our Kickstarter project, and rather use more traditional funding methods even if this will extend the program and delay the launch of the production models of BlackBeast Pro.

What we will do: Continue the development of the BlackBeast Pro as normal and relaunch at a later time with a final product to present.

This has been a tough choice for us, but a positive side effect is that we have acquired a high number of loyal backers and partners, facilitating a re-launch with a "running start".  And we are still very optimistic about launching BlackBeast Pro in the future.

Once again, Thank you for support, positive comments and backing!

NOTE: The timing of this cancellation ensures that NONE of our backers will be charged.

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Yet another update from the project without any actual update.

Naturally - since they don’t have any real updates :p

It’s amazing to see how so many people have invested so much money without attempting to throughly understand the technology and the process(es) involved (such as certification, etc.). One positive is that it’s always great to see people support new/upcoming startups (I love the spirit) but I would at least do some serious research beforehand.

Even if by some miracle they pull this off (btw this thing is supposed to retail at 400 USD per a CES interview), at least I won’t be recommending them because we clearly know how they‘ve gotten so far:

But the highest amazement was expressed when a fairly anemic 2013 MacBook Pro became a superfast graphic performer when hooked up to the BlackBeast Pro. 

It’s running because of script (now called special software). It’s fast because of the GPU (people have done this for more than half a decade).

They definitely are skilled at... faking it (or being convincing), because it seems to be working and backers are increasing. Either way, will be amazing to see if this isn’t a scam.

Hi. This is my first post here (long time lurker). I am well within the discussion and I am baker Tiago Borba actively discussing in the BBP Kickstarter comments.

The reason I am making this post is about the fact I am still a backer. I am, for better or worse, still part of the hype there (through my funding) but also part of the argumentation as I feel I want to scrutinise the project to the full extent possible, and that is most effective in the comment section of the project in Kickstarter, which is only allowed while you're a backer.

I want to say I intend to pull back my funding up to the very end (dodgy, I know) which is possible according to Kickstarter's terms here. This is the only reason I am still there, and I think this is common practice by backers who want to give the project the benefit of the doubt in the allotted time they open themselves for backing.

Thanks a ton to everyone in this discussion. It's been proving a real source of arguments as to why this is a bad investment and misplaced hope.

Edit: also relevant, the project's deadline cannot be changed after its launch, and that's the date payment methods are charged

Edit: Kickstarter was just canceled closely after my link to the digi.no article.

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I'm happy for all backers as they will not lose any funds.

I'm sad they still blame lacking patents funding, rights, software, certification etc.
They received every tip, guidance, notice and warning they needed regarding these areas by quite many of the egpu.io members - yet they totally ignored or didn't even care about them.

Now they payed the price.
Wonder what innovasjonnorge.no will say about the 700000 NOK they have received.

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I believe the cancellation was in response to the steep decline in backers in the last day so they could end on the note of having ‘350’ backers. Glad that backers won’t lose funds.

My only hope is that LP and any other startups looking to enter this industry do their homework extensively - for hardware, and for any software (if involved). Understanding an industry/sector/technology is a prerequisite to disrupting it.

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Kickstarter is the biggest nest of missed genius!! I don't trust to it from years....

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@zpro Thank you for the kind words. I have my moments of nondiplomatic rage but learned it’s always better to be patient.

@mac_editor Congratulations on the start of your professional career! That company is very lucky to have acquired your talent.

@tiago_borba We need more backers like you who remains optimistic but does his due diligence. Keeping at the comment until the very end is a great strategy; put pressure on the project creator to man up or shut up. We’re glad they took the least damaging option to both themselves and everyone involved.

We advised Tobias from the very beginning of this project, the easy way to earn our trust and support is transparency. For unknown reasons he thought that was not necessary as seen both in this discussion and on Kickstarter. We actually had a pleasant meeting at CES and I was genuinely excited to learn more about the BBP prototype. If they have IP to protect, they could have asked me to sign NDA and show me the inner workings of the product. That’s transparency I would respect and support.

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Article and discussions about the cancellation. 
https://www.digi.no/artikler/lagarhus-trekker-kickstarter-kampanje-for-egpu-losning/483864

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So it is destiny: I will buy Blackmagic eGPU. I need a silent solution with TB3 display output.


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