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Raygun
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Great review. I just read the review over at Appleinsider, it seemed way to positive for what this is, another gimped Apple product. The commenter's were praising the USB hub not realizing this takes away from the bandwidth.

Also, do people's eGPU's here have noise issues? My Sonnet box with a 1060 is pretty damn quiet even under full load. The fans on my xBox make the most noise in my room.

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@raygun There are eGPU enclosures with very good noise and thermal management such as the Sonnet Breakaway Box and ASUS XG Station Pro. Noisy enclosures are ones with small fATX power supplies such as the Gigabyte Gaming Box.

I can't comment on others' perspective. My reviews have always based on the fundamental idea of TB3 external graphics, a chassis that provides upgradability. Apple has slowly but surely removed the ability to upgrade their hardware. This Blackmagic eGPU conforms to that mentality and its singular purpose is to interface with the UltraFine Display.

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Expensive. Definitely.  But all macs are overpriced for what you get, yet we pay extra for better design, build, and brand.  The same for this egpu.  Consider the thought and care required to make it so quiet and cool, yet still retain more than enough power. 

A recent Steam report showed the most popular graphics card still being the 1060 or less, and max gaming capped at 1080p - easily achieved by the rx580

Should more apps, including their own, be supported.. of course... this is a bit strange, but I can only guess we’re not far away from them resolving it.

so, for me, this egpu is still the best graphics combo for the MacBook Pro.  Period

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Posted by: SirLothar

Expensive. Definitely.  But all macs are overpriced for what you get, yet we pay extra for better design, build, and brand.  The same for this egpu.  Consider the thought and care required to make it so quiet and cool, yet still retain more than enough power. 

A recent Steam report showed the most popular graphics card still being the 1060 or less, and max gaming capped at 1080p - easily achieved by the rx580

Should more apps, including their own, be supported.. of course... this is a bit strange, but I can only guess we’re not far away from them resolving it.

so, for me, this egpu is still the best graphics combo for the MacBook Pro.  Period

Macs being over priced is a bit of an old fallacy. There is a difference between over priced and premium. I was open to buying a Windows laptop last round and eyed up all the high end ones, each one outshone MacBooks in one way or another but never entirely as a whole and none came anywhere near build quality wise overall design wise, those things need to be factored into cost not just GB and HZ.

Remember the Razer Core V2 + an R 580 is more money than this and its far from as quiet and is pretty bog standard design wise (although I do love the core and see it as a high end enclosure).

This is a totally bespoke offering, I think its actually a bargain.

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Posted by: Eightarmedpet
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Expensive. Definitely.  But all macs are overpriced for what you get, yet we pay extra for better design, build, and brand.  The same for this egpu.  Consider the thought and care required to make it so quiet and cool, yet still retain more than enough power. 

A recent Steam report showed the most popular graphics card still being the 1060 or less, and max gaming capped at 1080p - easily achieved by the rx580

Should more apps, including their own, be supported.. of course... this is a bit strange, but I can only guess we’re not far away from them resolving it.

so, for me, this egpu is still the best graphics combo for the MacBook Pro.  Period

Macs being over priced is a bit of an old fallacy. There is a difference between over priced and premium. I was open to buying a Windows laptop last round and eyed up all the high end ones, each one outshone MacBooks in one way or another but never entirely as a whole and none came anywhere near build quality wise overall design wise, those things need to be factored into cost not just GB and HZ.

Remember the Razer Core V2 + an R 580 is more money than this and its far from as quiet and is pretty bog standard design wise (although I do love the core and see it as a high end enclosure).

This is a totally bespoke offering, I think its actually a bargain.

A Sonnet Breakaway Box with an RX 580 can be had on Amazon for $469, and you can swap out the card with a newer one in a year or two with the money you saved buying that instead of this.

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Yes, but you are comparing Apples and Oranges. The Blackmagic eGPU is fully custom high end, bespoke and silent, the Gigabyte box is bargain basement (not that I am saying its not great).

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Expensive. Definitely. But all macs are overpriced for what you get, yet we pay extra for better design, build, and brand. The same for this egpu. Consider the thought and care required to make it so quiet and cool, yet still retain more than enough power.

Simply NOPE!

I suppose you never opened an apple product and also have no knowledge in hardware.

The truth is mac are overpriced for what it deliver, a mac is simply a pc with a fancy OS bases on UNIX.

The only thing that separate the mac from a pc is the OS, nothing more nothing less.

As we see bad laptop implementation from other manufacturers, apple implementation in macbook are often bad as we found in other tech product.

Hence the "you pay for extra..." is a wrong, misleading, ignorant, statement!

Not i want you to understand because you wont, without before stepping up you own knowledge.

But rather you remember that these sentence are utterly wrong and influence badly other consumers and products!

 

 

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Posted by: wimpzilla

Expensive. Definitely. But all macs are overpriced for what you get, yet we pay extra for better design, build, and brand. The same for this egpu. Consider the thought and care required to make it so quiet and cool, yet still retain more than enough power.

Simply NOPE!

The only thing that separate the mac from a pc is the OS, nothing more nothing less.

No you are misleading. Macs are not like PCs, they have a lot of custom hardware, engineered by Apple (not using hardware sample and little custom), this has been one of the reason why Apple had/have the best Thunderbolt implementation, they were the market first for PCIe SSD, displayPort, Thunderbolt, retina, T2, FireWire and go on. As it is wrong that an iPhone is like a Samsung because the OLED display is manufactured by them. Design, engeneering and delivering is VALUE. You pay for this and it has a value. Then you have choice.

back on topic Blackmagic eGPU is cool, vertical design can be a nice addition to compact space but especially is silent and have TB3 output. This is custom design. This is value. It is important to you? Yes or not it depends but you can't say it is garbage.

I work in IT since 12 years, if you says Macs have the same amount of bad implementations than PCs you have really low experience in mass market and hardware support.


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Posted by: SirLothar

Consider the thought and care required to make it so quiet and cool, yet still retain more than enough power. 

I did consider this - it's still not worth (to me) because enough power is subjective haha. As @itsage mentioned, the XG Station Pro is quiet as well. End of day - as consumers we have only more options - which is a positive. Not denying the engineering here at all. I fully understand your point of view - and really for the LG UltraFine, there's no alternative. Just thinking that Apple promised a modular Mac Pro for a reason - I simply assume those same reasons could have been applied here :p

 

@wimpzilla I also don't think the sole difference between a Mac and Windows laptop is just OS (much of everything else is abstracted). Especially with the dawn of the T2 in the MBP, the difference is clear. One thing worth noting though, it's important how we define deliver. It could be design, UX, etc. and different for someone else. If you meant deliver in terms of performance - totally agree. But some, including myself, may compromise on that for the OS and design. Though we are paying more extra than ever for this haha. So my impression of Mac has dipped, to be honest. Still not far enough to switch me to PC, but definitely to consider an extra alternative machine.

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No you are misleading. Macs are not like PCs, they have a lot of custom hardware, engineered by Apple (not using hardware sample and little custom), No you are misleading. Macs are not like PCs, they have a lot of custom hardware, engineered by Apple (not using hardware sample and little custom), 

You are wrong!

You must be precise when building a sentence otherwise it is wrong!

"Apple have superior manufacturing technology and capability compared to other Tech manufacturers when it come to develop and implement 3rd party partners hardware!"

That's all you can say about Apple, almost all piece of hardware come from a 3rd party Tech manufacturer and need to be bought and assembled into their design!

The "custom hardware" you are referring to can be resumed in the sentence that i stated above, but that is not custom hardware.

Custom hardware would mean a cpu specifically designed by Intel to run on the OS provided by the mac and sorry to deceive you, but it is not actually the case since it's the same cpu you will find on a regular laptop!!!

Apple is subject to flaw as anyone else since using the same 3rd party hardware, plus it's own product design flaws as anyone else.

Hence to conclude, it's not because one deliver a superior manufacturing technology and capability into a product that the product is meant to be GOOD for sure!!!!!

 

Again i DO NOT want change anybody mind, i don't care!!
But i care when Apple fanboy without knowledge begin to defend what is not defensible from a scientific, virtue and common sense point of view!!!
Just stop being a fanboy and prise the products for what it is, what it delivers to consumers and prosumers that work with it!

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I work in IT since 12 years, if you says Macs have the same amount of bad implementations than PCs you have really low experience in mass market and hardware support.

To be honest with you, i would not claim had being an IT guy for 12y around so loud!
Especially if claiming that the laptop market cap was the same as the mac market cap along these years, for sure is a nice thing to heard from such expertise!
Hence not even sure you could compare the n° of flaws so lightly between the platforms, without a decent analysis!

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