Enclosure & Hardware Discussions
Gigabyte RTX 2070 Aorus Gaming Box First Impressions (Dell XPS 9560 & 9570)
 

Gigabyte RTX 2070 Aorus Gaming Box First Impressions (Dell XPS 9560 & 9570)  

  RSS

(@valkeriefire)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

This is a cross post from reddit that I wrote.  https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/asuduc/gigabyte_aorus_rtx_2070_gaming_box_first/

I just started testing the new RTX 2070 Aorus Gaming box eGPU. I'm testing it with 2 lane TB3 Dell XPS 9560 today (i7-7700hq, 16GB RAM, GTX 1050 internal). Tomorrow I have a 9570 arriving with a i7-8750H, 32GB RAM, and 1050Ti dGPU.

I'll be updating this post throughout the day and tomorrow to keep all info located in one post.

RTX 2070 Gaming Box eGPU with 4-lane TB3 Dell XPS 9570 i7-8750H benchmarks

Off the bat, the RTX 2070 Gaming box has impressive temps, 54C max. The fans do make some noise at idle which is probably due to the tiny cooling fans (but we knew about the problems from the 1070/1080 models). The Gaming box is charging my 9560 at 100w via Thunderbolt. I don't have the external AC adapter plugged it at all and I can sustain unthrottled speeds on the 7700hq of 3400-3600mhz on all 4 cores.

Here are my findings from today with the 9560/7700hq/2 lane TB3:

Dell XPS 15 9560 RTX 2070 eGPU Stock
Aida GPGPU
1410 write https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlTCFnQtzWFJmqEgSmVtRs6H-U7Iiw

Dell XPS 15 9560 RTX 2070 eGPU Stock Firestrike https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33782407

Dell XPS 15 9560 RTX 2070 eGPU Stock Firestrike Extreme https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33783724

As we can see, the RTX 2070 over doubles the performance of the 1050 dGPU, but we are at roughly Desktop GTX 1060 levels. This is probably due to the GPU bottleneck and the 2-lane TB3 interface of the 9560. Hopefully tomorrow we can remove those obstacles. I'm going to move onto higher resolution testing next. Unfortunately I didn't do Extreme and Ultra firestrike benchmarks on my desktops, so I won't have those for reference.

As it stands, the RTX 2070 should be 8% faster than a 1080, but due to the 2-lane TB3 bandwidth, we are only getting 66% of GTX 1080 level performance (i.e. 34+% perfomance lost due to TB3 connection).

This topic was modified 8 months ago

Dell XPS 9560, 7700hq, 2 Lane TB3: XPS 9570 8750H, 4 Lane TB3 enroute & Aorus 2070 eGPU enroute


ReplyQuote
(@nikunj_nik)
Active Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 

Thanks  a lot for this . I have a yoga 720 with the same specs as yours so I think I would be in the same boat. However if you see this post even the i7 8750 H with a 1080 was getting scores almost the same as yours. 

https://egpu.io/forums/builds/dell-xps-9570-15-aorus-gaming-box-1080-win10/

I am really waiting for your 9570 tests as well . 

Few Questions :-
1. I understand that you were part of the group buy. Did it turn out to be cheaper than the current Amazon listed price of $649 + tax ? I am still trying to find a site to buy this from which would not charge tax for FL.

2. Are you facing any problems which were reported by the previous Aorus Gaming Box owners like Buzzing etc ?

3. Do these boxes come with a 3 year Warranty as well ?

This post was modified 8 months ago

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
ishikawa_goemon
(@ishikawa_goemon)
Trusted Member
Joined: 12 months ago
 

@Nikunj, allow me to pop in and address a few of your questions. 

1. You will save money with the group buy as there is no sales tax and I had pretty fast FEDEX shipping (like 2 days from West Coast to East Coast). Amazon does charge sales tax which bumps the price up. Have you tried contacting Brian at Gigabyte for the pre-sale? Worst he tells you is that it is over...but he's very responsive and a short message to his email is worth your time.

2. I'm still on day 2 of ownership so no comments yet on immediate issues. However regarding buzzing, if you plan on using the short 0.5 m passive TB3 cable, you will hear the PSU fan going. I think this is the loudest, "buzziest" component. The workarounds for this are either playing with headphones + using a longer active TB3 cable to put some distance between the fan noise and your ears. Or, other users with some electronics DIY know-how have used quieter fans. Seems like you will need to know how to splice wires to JST PH 2 headers for this to work though.

3. I think AORUS-branded products carry the same standard warranty. The only option is that if you pay an additional $30, there is a cross-ship option. This means that if you have to RMA your card, Gigabyte will ship out a replacement card as you ship yours in. This lets you have a card to play on while your is being serviced or repaired.

I have an XPS 9570 so if there is a particular test you want me to run and I have the software, I would be happy to help out.

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
(@nikunj_nik)
Active Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 
Posted by: ishikawa_goemon

@Nikunj, allow me to pop in and address a few of your questions. 

1. You will save money with the group buy as there is no sales tax and I had pretty fast FEDEX shipping (like 2 days from West Coast to East Coast). Amazon does charge sales tax which bumps the price up. Have you tried contacting Brian at Gigabyte for the pre-sale? Worst he tells you is that it is over...but he's very responsive and a short message to his email is worth your time.

2. I'm still on day 2 of ownership so no comments yet on immediate issues. However regarding buzzing, if you plan on using the short 0.5 m passive TB3 cable, you will hear the PSU fan going. I think this is the loudest, "buzziest" component. The workarounds for this are either playing with headphones + using a longer active TB3 cable to put some distance between the fan noise and your ears. Or, other users with some electronics DIY know-how have used quieter fans. Seems like you will need to know how to splice wires to JST PH 2 headers for this to work though.

3. I think AORUS-branded products carry the same standard warranty. The only option is that if you pay an additional $30, there is a cross-ship option. This means that if you have to RMA your card, Gigabyte will ship out a replacement card as you ship yours in. This lets you have a card to play on while your is being serviced or repaired.

I have an XPS 9570 so if there is a particular test you want me to run and I have the software, I would be happy to help out.

Thank you so much for your reply. Yes I will shoot out an email to Brian and see if he is able to ship me an unit. Can you run the same tests as valkerifire and post your scores as well please (with and without an external monitor if you can)? I was thinking of buying a Dell G3 and if the i7 8750H will give  a 30% boost it is with spending $600 on another laptop. It will still turn out to be cheaper than buying a 1070Max Q laptop .

This post was modified 8 months ago

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
(@valkeriefire)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

I messaged Brian last week and he said the group buy was over. I asked him to contact me if they do another one.  I paid $52 tax through Amazon, unfortunately.  My 9570 arrives today so I will post more results, they will probably be up tonight.  As ishikawa said, there is slight whine sound from the fans.  I game with headphones, but is disappointing, a superior design would you a single 120mm fan to cool the PSU rather than 3 super small ones.  That is my only complaint so far.

Dell XPS 9560, 7700hq, 2 Lane TB3: XPS 9570 8750H, 4 Lane TB3 enroute & Aorus 2070 eGPU enroute


ReplyQuote
(@valkeriefire)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

I've added a Timespy i7-7700hq, RTX 2070 eGPU benchmark.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33808879?

Dell XPS 9560, 7700hq, 2 Lane TB3: XPS 9570 8750H, 4 Lane TB3 enroute & Aorus 2070 eGPU enroute


itsage liked
ReplyQuote
(@nikunj_nik)
Active Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 
Posted by: Valkeriefire

I messaged Brian last week and he said the group buy was over. I asked him to contact me if they do another one.  I paid $52 tax through Amazon, unfortunately.  My 9570 arrives today so I will post more results, they will probably be up tonight.  As ishikawa said, there is slight whine sound from the fans.  I game with headphones, but is disappointing, a superior design would you a single 120mm fan to cool the PSU rather than 3 super small ones.  That is my only complaint so far.

Thank you I will wait for your scores and yes Brian did respond that the Group Buy is now over.

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
sunny
(@sunny)
Eminent Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 

I also posted on reddit and will post here too, I am using mac mini 2018 with i5 and got the following for timespy with the rtx 2070 using full lanes...

7732 / 4793
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6319845

Mac Mini 2018 / Aorus Gaming Box RTX 2070


ReplyQuote
(@nikunj_nik)
Active Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 
Posted by: Valkeriefire

I've added a Timespy i7-7700hq, RTX 2070 eGPU benchmark.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33808879?

Did you use an external monitor for all your benchmarks ?

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
chodthewacko
(@chodthewacko)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

I got it working on a Dell precision 7510.

Some notes:
1)  Didn't need to, but the Dell site had a thunderbolt firmware update that increased NVM from 16.00 to 26.01.   Both firmwares say that external GPUS are not supported, and both are wrong.
2)  Out of the box, my Host to device speed was half of what it should be (about 1050 MiB/s as per CUDA-Z).
      I installed the 'host to device' firmware update on aorus's site ( https://www.aorus.com/GV-N2070IXEB-8GC#pd_download ) and that brought it up to the expected ~2020 MiB/sec

3)  I installed version 418.81 version of nvidia drivers off nvidia's site, rather than the slightly older ones on aorus's site  (416.34).
      nvidia control panel is acting wierd for me - not working with the 2070. and I still don't have 3dvision working.   Anyone have any luck?
      I feel this is occuring because part of the driver install happens after windows restart, and during the restart the egpu isn't connected yet.

4)  had a crash when I plugged in the aorus when windows was up and thunderbolt was 'always accept'.   now I do 'accept once' each time and it works fine, although possibly that's causing #3.   now that I type this, I should try again now that I've updated the tb3 firmware.

5)  it basically all worked out of the box.  I'm pretty happy with it.  

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
(@valkeriefire)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

I’m having driver issues with mine also.  Using 418 but I can’t get Nvidia Control Center to appear (which is necessary to enable gsync on my monitor).   I also updated to the same firmware as you.  It prioritizes GPU traffic over usb which is honestly what we want anyway.  I’ll post more once I’ve sorted out the driver issues.

Dell XPS 9560, 7700hq, 2 Lane TB3: XPS 9570 8750H, 4 Lane TB3 enroute & Aorus 2070 eGPU enroute


ReplyQuote
chodthewacko
(@chodthewacko)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

plugging in the egpu kind of breaks the graphics driver for the m2000m on my dell 7510.  This isn't (totally) unreasonable as i don't expect two nvidia gpus to work at the same time.   However, if I unplug the egpu, the m2000m stays broken, even on reboot, with a code 43 error.   To fix it, I need to uninstall the m2000m in device manager (do not delete the driver).  scan for hardware changes to reactivate it, reboot, and then it works again.  a bit clunky, but oh well.

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
jerry Kansai
(@joi_kansai)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

This is only for comparison Evga 2070 Black on Core v2 with Dual Core 7500U.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17687547
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6088506
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/37548
https://www.3dmark.com/nd/31208
Note: +180 Core and +600 memory, since I never use stock clock and mostly on gaming gpu clock  boost on 2040Mhz.

Razer Blade 15 2018, i7 8750H 16gb ddr4 2666mhz 1tb 970Evo
Razer Blade Stealth 12,5 2016 i7 7500U 8gb ddr3 1866mhz 500gb 970Evo
MacBook Pro 13 mid 2012 i5 3210M 12gb ddr3 1600mhz 500GB HDD
Razer Core V2 rtx 2070 Black 2040mhz Boost clock
Previous setting: rtx 2080ti Asus Turbo, rtx 2080 xc gaming, rtx 2080 Fe, Zotac Mini 1080ti, Evga 1080 FTW2 gaming.
Dual Monitor Predator XB241YU 165Hz 1440p, LG l24UD58 60Hz 4K
Portable Monitor Magedok 1440p HDR 60Hz usbA/C monitor


ReplyQuote
chodthewacko
(@chodthewacko)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

The biggest thing I hate about the 2070 is the short 1.5 foot TB3 cable.
Are people actually using it?  or switching to a longer cable?  if so, which?

Edit:  Just noticed in my power options - advanced settings that PCI express -> Link state power management
was set to 'maximum power savings'.  From what I can tell, this is potentially bad.  Setting it to OFF.

This post was modified 8 months ago

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
chodthewacko
(@chodthewacko)
Active Member
Joined: 9 months ago
 

Okay,through some hints with other threads, I got the 2070 working with the nvidia control panel for windows 10.

Steps:
1)  download ddu from here:  https://www.wagnardsoft.com/
     download latest nvidia drivers:  419.17.   (earlier might work, but that's what I used).
2)  Boot into safe mode.   to do this, restart with shift held down.  This puts you in the maintenance menu.
      go into advanced options, and you'll find a way to boot into safe mode.   Choose safe mode with no networking.
3)  Install DDU, and run it.  
      in options, click on:  'prevent downloads of drivers'.  This turn off the automatic driver installer.
      click on all of the nvidia items in items.
      on right side, select gpu, and select nvidia.
      do 'clean and do not restart'.   
      uninstall any amd drivers if you need it.  Now restart.
4)  Your M2000M should now appear in 'device manager' as:  Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, along with your intel chip.
5)  plug in your egpu.  In device manager, you should now have three display adapters:  your intel, and two 'basic display adapters'.
6)  install your nvidia drivers.   Both of the 'basic display adapters' should now appear as the m2000m and 2070 rtx.
In theory you are done.
Open up nvidia control panel:  you should now see BOTH the m2000m and 2070 rtx in the opened window.

From what I can tell, it now switches cleanly back and forth when you unplug the gaming box.
In theory, you can now turn the auto update back on through ddu since all of the relevant drivers are done. 
I haven't tried this yet though.

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
(@nikunj_nik)
Active Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 

All I got my 2070 box today and here the scores from my Yoga 720 with 7700HQ processor. Yoga 720 has the limitation of 2 PCIE Lanes similar to XPS 9560. Since I dont have an external Monitor I connected my 3.5 Years old Samsung JS8500 4k TV to run the benchmarks in case that makes a difference

Stock GPU

Firestrike 1.1  - 16294 Graphics / 10451 Physics
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34000284

TimeSpy - 7308 Graphics / 4077 CPU
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34000654

Superposition 1080P Extreme - 4977
4k Optimized  - 6501

+100 Core , +600 Memory

Firestrike 1.1  - 16968 Graphics / 10421 Physics
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34002292

TimeSpy - 7473 Graphics / 4137 CPU
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34002113

Superposition 1080P Extreme - 5127
4k Optimized  - 6767

Does this mean my unit is performing at near 1080 levels ?

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
madweazl
(@madweazl)
Eminent Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 
Posted by: Nikunj (Nik)

All I got my 2070 box today and here the scores from my Yoga 720 with 7700HQ processor. Yoga 720 has the limitation of 2 PCIE Lanes similar to XPS 9560. Since I dont have an external Monitor I connected my 3.5 Years old Samsung JS8500 4k TV to run the benchmarks in case that makes a difference

Stock GPU

Firestrike 1.1  - 16294 Graphics / 10451 Physics
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34000284

TimeSpy - 7308 Graphics / 4077 CPU
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34000654

Superposition 1080P Extreme - 4977
4k Optimized  - 6501

+100 Core , +600 Memory

Firestrike 1.1  - 16968 Graphics / 10421 Physics
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34002292

TimeSpy - 7473 Graphics / 4137 CPU
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34002113

Superposition 1080P Extreme - 5127
4k Optimized  - 6767

Does this mean my unit is performing at near 1080 levels ?

Looks like you're still running off the dGPU vs the 2070 (they're 1050 level results).

Edit: I must have been looking at the wrong tab, I see the video card listed in there now. 

This post was modified 8 months ago

XPS 13 (9380)/AORUS Gaming Box 2070


ReplyQuote
(@nikunj_nik)
Active Member
Joined: 8 months ago
 

Recently I bought a G5 on clearance in Walmart. It has an i7-8750H processor and 1050 ti inbuilt. Surprisingly I got lower graphics score as compared to my yoga 720 , what am I doing wrong here ? I thought 4 TB3 lanes and a stronger processor would mean better graphics score but it seems it is not so. Any way to fix this ?

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
papoose02
(@papoose02)
Eminent Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

Hello to everyone
I have an aorus GB 2070 on an XPS 9570. Everything was working pretty fine but when i checked my firestrike and timespy scores, it was way under what was to expect. So i checked the H2d speeds and saw i was running at half speed. I reinstalles the H2d firmware from gigabyte but everytime i restart my PC or reconnect the box , i need to reflash beceause it's half speed again! I tried to install the 1.3 firmware but then my box wasn't recognized anymore ...
Any tip to stabilize this damn H2D speed withour reinstalling everything everytime? 
Thanks to all

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
User99999
(@user99999)
Eminent Member
Joined: 10 months ago
 

@papoose02

Might check through your laptop's bios for PCI speed links?

Pending: Macbook Pro Retina Mid 2015 m370x eGPU Radeon Rx 5700 W10


ReplyQuote
papoose02
(@papoose02)
Eminent Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

@user99999

Thanks for the answer but could you be more specific ? What am i suppose to find normally for PCI speed links? 

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
joevt
(@joevt)
Honorable Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

Check HWiNFO for PCIe link width and speed for all the devices from root to GPU. If you don't have PCIe 3.0 (8GT/s) x4 then check BIOS to see if there's any options to change PCIe link speed.

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
User99999
(@user99999)
Eminent Member
Joined: 10 months ago
 

@papoose02

Use your model's key combo (usually F2) to get into the bios after power on and check through all the options sometimes might be locked to prevent overclock.  Look for PIC-E version listed (2/3/4/legacy) then a matter of changing them and see.  

Pending: Macbook Pro Retina Mid 2015 m370x eGPU Radeon Rx 5700 W10


ReplyQuote
papoose02
(@papoose02)
Eminent Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

Hi there , thanks for your answers . 
No options in my BIOS for pcie speeds . 
here is what i get in HWinfo : PCIe v3.0 x16 (8.0 GT/s) @ x4 (2.5 GT/s)
But do not get me wrong : sometimes, my H2d Speed is normal, like when i reflash the firmware. Then i shut down my pc and at the next start with the box connected, the pseeds get back to half speed ....
It is working sometimes it is just not stable...

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
joevt
(@joevt)
Honorable Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

@papoose02

I said check all devices from root to GPU. I think you just gave the speed of the GPU. The GPU is at 2.5 GT/s when idle and should switch up to 8 GT/s when you run a 3D app. You need to check the parent of the GPU, and the parent of the parent, etc, up to the root. It's unlikely there is a problem here with PCIe. The problem may be at a lower level (in the PCIe tunneling over Thunderbolt) - maybe you have a bad Thunderbolt cable? Unlike macOS, Windows doesn't report Thunderbolt link width or link speed so I don't know an easy way for you to check that.

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
papoose02
(@papoose02)
Eminent Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

Ok i tried to do what i could understand and reinstalled my TB3 port in device manager after unstalling it, then reinstalled the thunderbolt program from intel from dell's site.
Now :
sometimes  a part of the box is not recognized by windows (it says : the RTX has been plugged , but right after that the last device i plugged is not recognized. i suspect to be the USBc port of the box ) , the LED do not light up but the ventirad works, i can control the card in aorus engine and cuda z shows H2D full speed at 2220 or so. wich drops drastically under game to 1300 (is this normal? )
and some other times , when i start the pc with the card already connected, the leds comes up, it seems to work fine but cudaZ showz speeds like 1700 at best ... 
i dont understand...
tried to reflash the firware starting from the 1.0 then going to the H2d , nothing changes...

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
joevt
(@joevt)
Honorable Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

@papoose02

Cuda-Z will show a drop in H2D if a game is sending data to the GPU. This should be temporary if you're not moving around in game. You don't have anything else connected to the Thunderbolt ports?

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
papoose02
(@papoose02)
Eminent Member
Joined: 2 years ago
 

No i do not have anything else connected. I got the card to work with a hot plug sometimes. but then In the device manager , a composite usb port is not recognized....

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
adamluqqq
(@adamluqqq)
New Member
Joined: 2 weeks ago
 

@valkeriefire

Hey there, any update on the RTX2070 + XPS 15 9570 combo

Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote