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Eightarmedpet
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It feels like there is a new enclosure every month but they are all massive. I like the look of Thor's eGPU but to be honest I don't have much faith in those guys getting anything actually made. 

How hard is it for a company to design something that looks nice? A lot of folks are pairing enclosures with MacBooks which are not cheap so why do we have to settle for some big plastic box or giant tin can?

With membership views now hitting half a million do we have the resources and skill base to create an eGPU.IO eGPU? I might be being naive/optimistic but I am not seeing any progress from any company over the last year.

So is this post just a big whinge? Maybe. I'm not great on the tech side of things, I know very little about making things work let alone speccing out new things, but I do wonder if the resources and skills do exist here if no one else is stepping up (anyone know/have any info? Mantiz mentioned they were working on a smaller enclosure about 6 months ago).

For what its worth, if folks here are capable of designing one and then getting funding (visa kickstarter or something) I will happily work on the Brand, UX, PR, Marketing side of things (my 9to5).

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Sonnet Breakaway
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Galax/KFA2
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Gaming Box

What is wrong with those?

Unfortunately manufacturers sell and engineer what consumers buy...  People like their huge video cards that they think will overclock and cool better.  Their option to switch video cards out.  Easier to please more people that way...

Maybe Apple will come out with something that will make you happy now that in 2018 the thunderbolt tax goes away.  Either way more options are coming as it becomes more mainstream.  You already have some big players that have joined in.  Patience...

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Sonnet Puck - Ugly. Galaxy - Ugly 1997 Design, Aorus isn't too bad but looks thin tin.

I feel these are all built and designed by engineers, tech people, and sure people buy them because there is no other option, but there must be a market for something that looks nice too. The Razer Core looks great apart from the awful logo.

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Awful Razer logo?  You are awfully hard to please...  Looks like it disappears into the black case to me.  Most people are pretty proud of their Razer branded products much like Apple.  If you don't like it then sand it down and paint an Apple on it.  Or even easier put a sticker on it!

Does your eGPU box move a lot?  Travel with you all the time?  Do you mount your monitors on top of it so it needs to bear weight?  The Gigabyte Aorus Gaming Box is fine.

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Yep, I prob am, and I understand why folks like Razer because they do make great gaming machines, but I can't be dealing with some squiggly triple headed snake. Sanding it down isn't a bad idea though.

The Aorus box is indeed "fine", but I am not after fine... I'm after something better. Imagine a Node Lite but a few CM bigger here and there to accommodate some internal fans to help keep things cool and quiet... with no giant logo...

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Think more along these lines...

 

bang olufsen beolit 15 3d model max obj fbx c4d

Turn it 90 degrees, remove the strap, double its length... might actually make a mock....

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Now your idea is UGLY (in my opinion).  You voiced your opinion and I am only doing the same.

You could try helping Thor's eGPU come to fruition, but I guess they don't need your help either.

Or work on your sanding/mod skills.  Or even easier turn the eGPU so you no longer see that ugly logo...

Sorry, I don't sympathize with you.  Don't really see much of a market for your niche of a niche.

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I'm not really sure why are you trying to have an argument here, or "prove me wrong".

I'm aware that what I am after is a niche of a niche, that I hope Apple fills.

I have northing to offer Thor that they don't already have and I wish them the best of luck.

Now, while I understand aesthetics are subjective and that speaker design might not be for everyone (too plain? wrong colour? too boxy? not enough LED lights?) you can not make a legitimate claim that it's ugly.

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Why not first work on a community-approved mod guide for  a given enclosure first, and work from there? AKiTio's Thunder 2/3/Node Lite are ripe for this, since they need modding out of the box anyways. With maker spaces are becoming more and more common, we wouldn't necessarily have to restrict ourselves to household tools or materials.

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I agree the Galax and Puck are pretty pucking ugly, but there are probably those that like that too...

You voiced your opinion and I am only doing the same.  I personally think your idea is UGLY. 

The Razer Core V2 is probably the best looking out of the bunch and your friends will be green with envy!  I have a friend who is all about "his brands" and looks which include Apple and Razer only for laptops and eGPU.  While I personally think Lenovo has the best laptop offerings for my specifications.  I am going with the ugly HP Omen Accelerator which I expect to mod or hide out of view.  I would love to have a Razer Core V2, but can't justify the expense.  I would go with the Aorus Gaming 1070 Box if I felt I needed that much graphics power at a premium.

Do you see the challenge for manufacturers? 

If certain mods become common manufacturers may start incorporating some of those ideas into future revisions.

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My wish is an eGPU enclosure that's not an enclosure at all. Rather it should be a base/dock with PSU, TBT board and PCIe slot. Something like this with the power supply enclosed on the bottom. A lot of graphics cards look great, why not show them off?

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Something like this?

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/mk-2-sub-6l-watercooled-sff.2530

and water cooled. The biggest problem is the PSU...

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Maximus
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What egpu dock/thingy is that on the picture, looks quite nice to be honest...

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Posted by: Maximus

What egpu dock/thingy is that on the picture, looks quite nice to be honest...

It's the inner shell of the AKiTiO Thunder2. I cut out the front piece in order to fit a full size GPU. Here's the component view.

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Posted by: itsage

My wish is an eGPU enclosure that's not an enclosure at all. Rather it should be a base/dock with PSU, TBT board and PCIe slot. Something like this with the power supply enclosed on the bottom. A lot of graphics cards look great, why not show them off?

"breathing" by its own cooler 🙂 Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 Special Edition.

 

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Posted by: itsage

My wish is an eGPU enclosure that's not an enclosure at all. Rather it should be a base/dock with PSU, TBT board and PCIe slot. Something like this with the power supply enclosed on the bottom. A lot of graphics cards look great, why not show them off?

I understand the appeal, but layouts like that could never get certified - that's why even the show-off gaming rigs have their innards behind plexiglass and such. At some point we could start getting "eGPU" edition cards as the currents ones are designed for desktop boxes, but until those appear and the market gets big enough, there is always going to be a conflict between "fit as many high-end cards as possible" and "be as small as possible".

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I understand the appeal, but layouts like that could never get certified - that's why even the show-off gaming rigs have their innards behind plexiglass and such. At some point we could start getting "eGPU" edition cards as the currents ones are designed for desktop boxes, but until those appear and the market gets big enough, there is always going to be a conflict between "fit as many high-end cards as possible" and "be as small as possible".

True, it might be illegal to produce these kind of docks due to EMI emission standards and FCC regulations - therefore we should always shield our cases.

I found some "ecodesign requirements" at European Commission level, regarding external power supplies:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:02009R0278-20170109
http://www.eup-network.de/fileadmin/user_upload/EPS_Review_Study_Draft_Final_Report.pdf

"it has nameplate output power not exceeding 250 Watts".

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Really interesting to hear other peoples ideas of their "ideal" enclosure... looks like everyone has their own individual niche within the broader niche that is eGPUs.

I might come up with a couple of mocks of what I am thinking and what I would like to see. I thought someone mentioned they had 3D printer and CNC machine but that post has vanished? 

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Posted by: Eightarmedpet

Really interesting to hear other peoples ideas of their "ideal" enclosure... looks like everyone has their own individual niche within the broader niche that is eGPUs.

I might come up with a couple of mocks of what I am thinking and what I would like to see. I thought someone mentioned they had 3D printer and CNC machine but that post has vanished? 

I have access to a 3D printer and a CNC at my school's makerspace. If you make some mocks of your own design, I'd be pretty psyched to put my credits towards an enclosure!

Posted by: itsage

It’s the inner shell of the AKiTiO Thunder2. I cut out the front piece in order to fit a full size GPU. Here’s the component view.

Do you think you could send some measurements for your open-air AKiTio Thunder 2? I'm running behind on my own projects and would prefer not to start another.

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Did you make some mocks of your design?

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i indeed said that i have acces to a cnc and a 3d-printer, but why the post dissapeared, nobody knows

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Eightarmedpet
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I feel you are only here to criticise D G but since you asked, I did a quick and dirty mock based on that speaker I linked which you described as "UGLY" so assume you wont like this either...

egpu

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The other one looked like a Bluetooth speaker/cooler you take to a picnic.

This looks good but I am guessing the video card orientation wouldn't work with ventilation on side.  I prefer dark urban grey/charcoal/gunmetal to white or any other color really.

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Ha, that’s exactly what it was!

its hard to see there but I imagined a gap around the top to let hot air out. Vents on the side for maximum airflow. You could also fit fans top and bottom. 

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Maybe you are onto something...  Does everything have to be rounded so much though?

I guess I couldn't get past the colors, strap, and feminine curves on the other.

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My ideal/universal/dream eGPU dock layout would be more in the line of how external HDD docks are done. Obviously the layout would have to be changed to horizontal to accommodate the display connectors, but this way there would be no strict limit to the length/depth of the GPU. 30 second mock-up (yes, I'm an engineer - don't judge my (non-existent) photoshop skills 🙂 ) 

egpumock

The card in a real implementation would be a bit closer/open to the side to accommodate for better PSU placement and to keep the GPU coolers unobstructed.

Plus, for safety/airflow/graphic design purposes different length front covers could be designed so you could still have it closed and not exposed if needed.

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I like that a lot!

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Posted by: 4chip4

My ideal/universal/dream eGPU dock layout would be more in the line of how external HDD docks are done. Obviously the layout would have to be changed to horizontal to accommodate the display connectors, but this way there would be no strict limit to the length/depth of the GPU. 30 second mock-up (yes, I'm an engineer - don't judge my (non-existent) photoshop skills 🙂 ) 

egpumock

The card in a real implementation would be a bit closer/open to the side to accommodate for better PSU placement and to keep the GPU coolers unobstructed.

Plus, for safety/airflow/graphic design purposes different length front covers could be designed so you could still have it closed and not exposed if needed.

As slick as it looks, this won't work.

-Retail GPUs come in all shapes and forms, and AIBs routinely violate spec in terms making boards which are exceeding dual PCIe slot dimensions. That's actually a big challenge for all eGPU OEMs

- GPU must be securely connected to PCIe connector

- aux 12V power connectors should not be exposed - and there should be some room to connect those wires

- sufficient/slightly excessive power supply which can provide both max sustained power by all the stuff in the box, as well as power deliver AND handle short peak currents from GPU

- airflow and noise.

 

 

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The card in a real implementation would be a bit closer/open to the side to accommodate for better PSU placement and to keep the GPU coolers unobstructed.

Plus, for safety/airflow/graphic design purposes different length front covers could be designed so you could still have it closed and not exposed if needed.

As slick as it looks, this won't work.

-Retail GPUs come in all shapes and forms, and AIBs routinely violate spec in terms making boards which are exceeding dual PCIe slot dimensions. That's actually a big challenge for all eGPU OEMs

- GPU must be securely connected to PCIe connector

- aux 12V power connectors should not be exposed - and there should be some room to connect those wires

- sufficient/slightly excessive power supply which can provide both max sustained power by all the stuff in the box, as well as power deliver AND handle short peak currents from GPU

- airflow and noise

I believe the caveats at the end address all these points (I'm not sure why the PCIe connection would not be stable - the enclosure would be exactly the length of the PCIe slot and the back would still be fixed)

- Moving the card to the side to expose the midsection addresses the challenges in terms of (non-standard) depth

- A front cover (think a slip-on cube with one empty side) takes case of both of isolating the electricals, can establish controlled airflow, and would reduce noise

As usual, one word is worth a thousand pictures, but that was over my 30 sec photoshop attention span 🙂

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Standards are often the obstacle in creating something innovative.

The old PCIe connectors need an update. Apple is good at getting rid of old standards.

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Standards are often the obstacle in creating something innovative.

The old PCIe connectors need an update. Apple is good at getting rid of old standards.

What do you specifically believe is wrong with PCIe? I can only think of power, but that is not really solvable through bus as nobody wants 300-400W going around in motherboards.

For example, of we could just get GPU vendors to create x4 PCIe versions of high-end cards with unexposed power connections/fans, it would really open up enclosure design (pun intended 😉 ).

"Making your own", because you can't agree on an industry standard, is not necessarily an improvement (in 2017, there is IMHO no good reason for either Lightning on the Apple side or the Surface connector on the Microsoft side).

Mac-wise, Apple has been the more conservative one of the desktop bunch lately. If anything, over the years, Macs went from "rebel" tech like NuBus, ADB, FireWire, Motorola/PowerPC and flirting with SCSI to effectively stock PC industry standard components and interfaces. I would be more than surprised if something groundbreaking (bus-wise) came from there. Given the desktop market is not going to significantly increase, completely new standards of something so fundamental would be risky, expensive endeavors, with little potential gain.

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@4chip4: I meant it in a sarcastic way, not comparable to the iPhone's 3.5mm jack that is over 50 years old technology 🙂 Nothing wrong with the PCIe.

And I don't hate Apple either 🙂

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Once eGPUs are well-established and supported, I think one cool approach would be to integrate them into displays. Buying a display would equal buying graphics power to drive it, in a sense.

Of course, I'm sure there are many who do not require the display, just performance for computation. Sweet 'n sexy eGPU boxes for them I guess.

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Once eGPUs are well-established and supported, I think one cool approach would be to integrate them into displays. Buying a display would equal buying graphics power to drive it, in a sense.

Of course, I'm sure there are many who do not require the display, just performance for computation. Sweet 'n sexy eGPU boxes for them I guess.

I would certainly be surprised if no display+eGPU combo emerged once the market is sufficiently big/established, especially in the professional/gaming market. I would think, though, the first wave candidates for that would not be high-end x16 PCIe cards (like it is the case with today's eGPU enclosures), but more like the portable/mini 1060s which are normally meant for ITX boxes.

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It’s the inner shell of the AKiTiO Thunder2. I cut out the front piece in order to fit a full size GPU. Here’s the component view.

Do you think you could send some measurements for your open-air AKiTio Thunder 2? I'm running behind on my own projects and would prefer not to start another.

I got the measurements today. It's 8" long, 5" tall, and 2.75" deep.

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Thanks for appreciating our design! Well if it wasn't for that time-consuming certification, the prototype for THOR I would already be underway.

We have shifted our efforts/recourses to MJOLNIR I - mini-ITX PC Case for now, at least we can build it without those certifications. Just to let everybody know, we have applied for TB3 certification and will pursue completion of THOR I once we get it. Thing is, we don't feel like sitting around for years and wait, so MJOLNIR I is the perfect opportunity to get something done in the meantime.

Its highly probable that an eGPU.io eGPU would encounter the same barrier, but that shouldn’t discourage people from pursuing it anyways. My guess is that as the eGPU market grows, more efficient/faster certification methods will be implemented.

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