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PepeCZ
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Posted by: Mymantiz_John
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Hi Johny, can I have novice question - what you mean that new firmware will be dynamical?

You mean for example: when I will have in my Venus for example Fury X and HDD, but in time when I will be using GPU for games and zero percent using hdd so Venus will work 100% for GPU. And when I will be for example in same time playing and copy files into hdd so speed for GPU will be little smaller .. and this will work dynamical? so when copy files will be finished so again GPU will have max performence

An upcoming FW means: 

We had cooked the firmware and this firmware is waiting for Intel approval. Will be released @ any time.

Dynamic Means;
  If you don't use any HDD or SSD through the IP ports, CUDA Z will stay @22xx MiB/S. But while you used, it will be reduce a bit to 21xx MiB/s. ( my USB 3.0 HDD occupied around 98MB/, if you use 3 USB HDD copying file, it will be reduce to 22xx Mib/S-300M=18xx Mib/s. and once you finished the tasks, it will be back to 22xx Mib/s

 

 

 

 

 

Really? :-O

Hm so if it will be working as you say, so it will be best 🙂

So I can have in Venus for example hdd and when I not copy etc so firmware will be working est for gpu, and when I start copy files so on this small time Venus reduce speed for gpu and after finished copyed again switch on full power on gpu.

 

And Johny what when I plugin my Logitech PowerPlay directly into Venus usb on rear? how many this reduce my gpu?

(powerplay is new mouse pad from Logitech, which can plugin mouse directly via nano receiver plus this mouse pad can charge my mouse via wireless)

LAPTOP = HP Spectre x360 13 Dark Ash Silver (i7-8565U, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD)
EGPU = Mantiz Venus MZ-02 Space Grey + PSU Corsair SF600 600W 80 Plus Gold
GPU = PowerColor AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2
DISPLAY = Samsung C27FG73 | ROUTER = NETGEAR Nighthawk X4S R7800
KEYBOARD = Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum | MOUSE = Logitech G305 Recoil Black
CHAIR = DXRacer Racing OH/RV001/N
PHONE = OnePlus 6T MidnightBlack (8GB LPDDR4X, 256GB UFS2.1)


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I recently received the Mantiz Venus and am using with a new 13.3 Razer Blade Stealth. My impression was that this issue had been fixed on the Venus, but I am still seeing it running CUDA-Z. Is there a firmware update I need to do?

 

CUDA-Z Report

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Version: 0.10.251 64 bit  http://cuda-z.sf.net/ 

OS Version: Windows x86 6.2.9200 

Driver Version: 384.94

Driver Dll Version: 9.0 (6.14.13.8494)

Runtime Dll Version: 6.50




Core Information

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	Name: GeForce GTX 980

	Compute Capability: 5.2

	Clock Rate: 1342 MHz

	PCI Location: 0:7:0

	Multiprocessors: 16 (2048 Cores)

	Threads Per Multiproc.: 2048

	Warp Size: 32

	Regs Per Block: 65536

	Threads Per Block: 1024

	Threads Dimensions: 1024 x 1024 x 64

	Grid Dimensions: 2147483647 x 65535 x 65535

	Watchdog Enabled: Yes

	Integrated GPU: No

	Concurrent Kernels: Yes

	Compute Mode: Default

	Stream Priorities: Yes




Memory Information

------------------

	Total Global: 4096 MiB

	Bus Width: 256 bits

	Clock Rate: 3505 MHz

	Error Correction: No

	L2 Cache Size: 48 KiB

	Shared Per Block: 48 KiB

	Pitch: 2048 MiB

	Total Constant: 64 KiB

	Texture Alignment: 512 B

	Texture 1D Size: 65536

	Texture 2D Size: 65536 x 65536

	Texture 3D Size: 4096 x 4096 x 4096

	GPU Overlap: Yes

	Map Host Memory: Yes

	Unified Addressing: Yes

	Async Engine: Yes, Bidirectional




Performance Information

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Memory Copy

	Host Pinned to Device: 1298.41 MiB/s

	Host Pageable to Device: 1160.76 MiB/s

	Device to Host Pinned: 2667.38 MiB/s

	Device to Host Pageable: 2166.02 MiB/s

	Device to Device: 72.8615 GiB/s

GPU Core Performance

	Single-precision Float: 5358.26 Gflop/s

	Double-precision Float: 175.209 Gflop/s

	64-bit Integer: 358.456 Giop/s

	32-bit Integer: 1657.26 Giop/s

	24-bit Integer: 1214.8 Giop/s




Generated: Thu Jul 27 23:08:09 2017

 

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Hi guys, not sure if I am being daft, but how do I get this to run on internal display under Mac OS 

 

What is a 'Ghost external display adapter' and where do I get one from?

 

 

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Hi guys, not sure if I am being daft, but how do I get this to run on internal display under Mac OS 

What is a ‘Ghost external display adapter’ and where do I get one from? 

You can follow goalque’s instructions to force internal display eGPU acceleration in macOS.

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Posted by: Mymantiz_John
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Guys today I received my Mantiz Venus.
In box was +- 13cm long black tape, on what is it?

footstand, you can tape it on the BTM of the enclosure.

But just one foot? Not two for front and back in the bottom? I thought it was mine, that just came with one by mistake...

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Wondering whats happening with the new firmware...

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Why everyone is testing h2d issue with heaven benchmark? Heaven doesn't use that bandwidth. Not even every game is using it in full power. My suggestion is to use a game from Ubisoft called "Assassin's Creed Black Flag". With everything on max (except physx) on areas like jungle (a lot of trees, bushes etc.) it seems like game really struggles due h2d. GTX1080 performs at 60fps on desktop whereas on egpu it gives 35-46 fps in those areas. 

Black Flag is absolutely shit at being optimised to run on PC. John has already provided actual game benchmarks, apart from Heaven. 

Also, PC performance and eGPU performance isn't going to be identical. I struggled to get good performance out of Black Flag at 1080p (60fps constant) back then, more than a year after it released, and I had quite a decent PC for the time. (4790k, 970)

The fact that you need a 1080 for a game released in 2013 to have it running at 60fps says it all. I have a 1080ti + Mantiz Venus and I can play Hitman and Dishonored 2 at 4k 60fps with high settings.

pff.. unoptimized game - even better! If 1080 works 60fps in jungle on pc while egpu not giving 60fps - something is wrong with bandwidth. GTA 5 works awesome everywhere (including limited h2d speed), I agree, but I think that Black Flag is perfect scenario to test. If Mantiz Venus will show lower fps in jungle than Akitio Node (as example) - H2D plays significant role in perfomance. Anyway, in my opinion, sharing heaven\valley scores to prove h2d speed insignificance is nonsense. 

 UPD: Not every game is affected by H2D speed.

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Sorry to take this off on a tangent from H2D; I have a burning question someone might be able to answer about the enclosure (loving it so far btw!)  🙂

I remember reading back about the Custom PSU w/ 550w, I soon plan to get a Vega 64 Water-cooled in there somehow once the card has launched, rocking my old HD 7950 while I wait.

So this is a~345w TDP, I realise I would be pushing the PSU hard; If it say were to die, would I be able to replace it with any other SFF PSU of the same wattage?

- were there some customisation for the 87w PD that would make this infeasible?

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@rob7697 you can replace the PSU with a 550W SFX just fine. I’ve actually tried a Radeon Pro Duo with the Mantiz Venus and it was able to power the card. My bet is the Vega 64 water cooling  version will work the same way.

Thunderbolt firmware dictates power delivery. As long as the replacement PSU is 550W or better, 87W PD on the Mantiz Venus should remain functional.

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@rob7697 you can replace the PSU with a 550W SFX just fine. I've actually tried a Radeon Pro Duo with the Mantiz Venus and it was able to power the card. My bet is the Vega 64 water cooling  version will work the same way.

Thunderbolt firmware dictates power delivery. As long as the replacement PSU is 550W or better, 87W PD on the Mantiz Venus should remain functional.

Probably standard Vega 64 will work just fine, but it requires 2 8-pin


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Posted by: ikir
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@rob7697 you can replace the PSU with a 550W SFX just fine. I've actually tried a Radeon Pro Duo with the Mantiz Venus and it was able to power the card. My bet is the Vega 64 water cooling  version will work the same way.

Thunderbolt firmware dictates power delivery. As long as the replacement PSU is 550W or better, 87W PD on the Mantiz Venus should remain functional.

Probably standard Vega 64 will work just fine, but it requires 2 8-pin

@itsage, ikir - Thanks for the quick reply guys; I might try it out and see how it goes, fingers crossed. I'm sure it had 2x 8pin connectors.

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The Radeon Pro Duo needs 3 x 8-pin. I used a Y splitter to get the third plug.

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The Radeon Pro Duo needs 3 x 8-pin. I used a Y splitter to get the third plug.

@itsage - Did you manage to get Crossfire working in that single slot? 😀 , or were there bandwidth limitations?

Oh and the 2x 8-pin connector I meant on the Vega 64 WC (pictures on review sites). Still power hungry either way.

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Radeon Pro Duo is a strange and fascinating card. It showed up in Windows as two separate R9 Fury cards. Through the Mantiz Venus I was able to make use of one of the two. The second one experienced error 12.

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Rob - if you planning to get Vega, can you get 650W power supply? The price difference between 550 and 650 is not big, but the peak power difference is significant.

Radeon Pro Duo: unfortunately it is not supported by XConnect. Yes, first GPU core will work, but the second one will be yellow banged. Error12 is not just driver issue - the host system have to support such dual-GPU cards too...

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Posted by: rob7697
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@rob7697 you can replace the PSU with a 550W SFX just fine. I've actually tried a Radeon Pro Duo with the Mantiz Venus and it was able to power the card. My bet is the Vega 64 water cooling  version will work the same way.

Thunderbolt firmware dictates power delivery. As long as the replacement PSU is 550W or better, 87W PD on the Mantiz Venus should remain functional.

Probably standard Vega 64 will work just fine, but it requires 2 8-pin

@itsage, ikir - Thanks for the quick reply guys; I might try it out and see how it goes, fingers crossed. I'm sure it had 2x 8pin connectors.

i think all RX Vega 64 needs 2 x 8-pin and only RX Vega 56 just needs 1 x 8-pin and 1 x 6-pin


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@Sky11:

How RX Vega power consumption compares to Vega FE? Vega FE in a gaming loop at 84C temperature target consumes only 266W on average, only a few peaks over 300W:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-16gb,review-33968-10.html

We should pay attention to PSU's quality rather than the wattage.

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Guys, GPUs are not light bulbs to consume steady amount of electricity. They constantly change clocks, etc. - so regardless if it is AMD or NV, you always need a much bigger power supply than the stated TDP. There is a difference between average power consumption and peak power consumption. Those peaks are very short, but they are significantly higher than your expected average current.

This is NOT AMD specific issue. Please have a look at official 1080TI spec here:  https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/  

- Graphics Card Power: 250W

- recommended power supply: 600W

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Guys, GPUs are not light bulbs to consume steady amount of electricity. They constantly change clocks, etc. - so regardless if it is AMD or NV, you always need a much bigger power supply than the stated TDP. There is a difference between average power consumption and peak power consumption. Those peaks are very short, but they are significantly higher than your expected average current.

This is NOT AMD specific issue. Please have a look at official 1080TI spec here:  https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/  

- Graphics Card Power: 250W

- recommended power supply: 600W

Yes I know, but in this case I think 600W is referred to power all the computer, with eGPU is another story.


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Yes, the recommended power supply wattage is calculated for desktop computers.

In eGPU use, there is no CPU, or other power hungry components. I don’t have the basic TB3 numbers in my hands now, but for example in dual TB2 port use, the TB2 controller card eats ~30W in total and ~12W per port. A single-slot backplane takes just a few watts. Of course, taking 100W TB3 PD into account, we should be very careful.

 

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Power Delivery over Thunderbolt easily competes with a whole system power consumption (for 87W-100W PD)...

What I am trying to say is that some people (including even yours truly :)) may take stated GPU power numbers at their face value and assume that if GPU vendors says"GPU Power 275W", a 300-350W PSU should be enough. It will not 🙁

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For a 235W GPU, 300W seems to be enough:

https://www.onestopsystems.com/product/pre-order-expressbox-3t-v3-gp100

Nvidia qualified 3-slot 300W boxes with only 65W buffer for PCIe board & dual-TB3 port power.

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Does anyone know how much charging power the Venus provides over a USB-A connection to (for example) my iPhone?

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USB-A is rated at 500ma @ 5V = 2.5W. It will charge your iPhone much slower than using say a iPhone 10W AC adapter.

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Posted by: nando4

USB-A is rated at 500ma @ 5V = 2.5W. It will charge your iPhone much slower than using say a iPhone 10W AC adapter.

Hmm, so I've noticed. Guess it's back to my 10w wall charger. Thanks!

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USB-A is rated at 500ma @ 5V = 2.5W. It will charge your iPhone much slower than using say a iPhone 10W AC adapter.

5V x 0.9A=4.5W.

 

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@rob7697 you can replace the PSU with a 550W SFX just fine. I've actually tried a Radeon Pro Duo with the Mantiz Venus and it was able to power the card. My bet is the Vega 64 water cooling  version will work the same way.

Thunderbolt firmware dictates power delivery. As long as the replacement PSU is 550W or better, 87W PD on the Mantiz Venus should remain functional.

Probably standard Vega 64 will work just fine, but it requires 2 8-pin

@itsage, ikir - Thanks for the quick reply guys; I might try it out and see how it goes, fingers crossed. I'm sure it had 2x 8pin connectors.

Currently Mantiz Venus is supply 375W to the graphic card and remained 2x ( 6+ 2 ) PCIe Power. We are testing Vega. and we will get it on Next Monday.

 

 

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my bad, USB 3.0 is 0.9A, so 4.5W as Mymantiz_John points out.  Close to the 5W charger shipped standard with an iPhone 6/7 but less than half that of a 12W charger if you are using one of those.

https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/MD836X/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter
https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/MD811X/A/apple-5w-usb-power-adapter

 

See 5W versus 12W charge time comparison at:

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2603139

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PepeCZ
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Exist some method how change PSU in mantiz Venus? I not need PSU in box, I can have PSU out from Venus box.

On this I ask, because now I have home additional second piece new seasonic 2017 psu:

Seasonic Prime SSR-1000PD

LAPTOP = HP Spectre x360 13 Dark Ash Silver (i7-8565U, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD)
EGPU = Mantiz Venus MZ-02 Space Grey + PSU Corsair SF600 600W 80 Plus Gold
GPU = PowerColor AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2
DISPLAY = Samsung C27FG73 | ROUTER = NETGEAR Nighthawk X4S R7800
KEYBOARD = Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum | MOUSE = Logitech G305 Recoil Black
CHAIR = DXRacer Racing OH/RV001/N
PHONE = OnePlus 6T MidnightBlack (8GB LPDDR4X, 256GB UFS2.1)


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wkarma
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Anyword on the Venus firmware update?

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Any news on Amazon selling it in Europe and estimated final price?

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PepeCZ
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Guys question, into this time I had in Venus only GPU but today I bought after good price older Samsung SSD 850 Pro with 512gb. How is good installation manual for give it into Venus?

LAPTOP = HP Spectre x360 13 Dark Ash Silver (i7-8565U, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD)
EGPU = Mantiz Venus MZ-02 Space Grey + PSU Corsair SF600 600W 80 Plus Gold
GPU = PowerColor AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2
DISPLAY = Samsung C27FG73 | ROUTER = NETGEAR Nighthawk X4S R7800
KEYBOARD = Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum | MOUSE = Logitech G305 Recoil Black
CHAIR = DXRacer Racing OH/RV001/N
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@pepe - You will need you own Sata cable, but it is fairly straight forward to install. Without the GPU in, you can get a screwdriver and reach in to undo the 4 screws that hold the mounting plate, then mount the SSD to this using another 4 screws provided, orient the SSD so that the connectors face the PSU once place back in the enclosure.

Getting the Power/Data cables in this way is a little fiddly, but doable.

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@Mymantiz_john

I eagerly look forward to your test on ability of Mantiz Venus powering AMD Radeon Vega Fronter Edition card comfortably.

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@Mymantiz_john

I eagerly look forward to your test on ability of Mantiz Venus powering AMD Radeon Vega Fronter Edition card comfortably.

@Michael - you mean Vega 64 not FE right? 😉 .

So ive modded the floor of the Venus to fit a 120mm case fan, not my best of work for sure, but I quickly realised the length of the card is a big factor because it can overlap when the 120mm fan is used. Between this and the question marks about power draw, the WC model isnt an option haha.

Interested if it can still handle the blower style Vega 64 though, would make an amazing setup - (im tethered to AMD by a $1400 FreeSync monitor). Besides, the brushed aluminum is almost perfect to go with the enclosure too :D.

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The 550W Gold PSU in the Mantiz Venus is quite capable. I’m looking forward to testing out an RX Vega card in the near future. 😀

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