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Mymantiz_John
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Posted by: ed_co

It looks very good and NICE offer, and with nice specs, but there are things that I miss.

Must have: 
1) More USBs. I use a lot of USB devices. and 2 is definitely not enough for me (3 minimum, but 5 should be much better).
2) VGA?? I think is a waste of space/circuitry (for other things). This is a huge mistake from my POV. If you have TB3, you are not usually dealing with VGA stuff. I understand there are a lot of projectors with VGA if you are going to do conferences in some universities/venues, but this is not definitely a portable device (but to have it in your desk not moving it) and I consider it useless. And aesthetically is not pretty these days.
3) TB3 port to daisy chain (for example, the only way to do [email protected]@4:4:4, considering DP 1.2) along with other things. I consider it a MUST.
4) 1 USB-C port (yes another one, not the TB3). Avoiding adapters.
5) MicroSD reader. Again, if I invest in a dock (which are really expensive), I don't want ANY other adapter (really important for me, not more adapters).

Bonuses (not must have, but great to have it):
- USB 3.1 (great addition)
- DP 1.4 (there are new TB3 controllers which allows that)
- Less bulkier PSU/integrated one (like mac mini).
- Silver color (I don't like space grey fashion).
- Even for more performance, it doesn't bother me to connect 2 TB3 and make the dock faster and with less bottlenecks (using a lot of connections at the same time) using more than one TB3 bandwidth (that could be really cool in order to speed up things).

This is just my personal opinion, which are just my reasons, and not saying that is a bad product (which I am sure it is good, as I have the Mantiz Venus and I think that is a good product).

Having a product with the previous things I said, I would buy it 100%.

1. Wish we can design more USB, but all USB actually are sharing the 5G USB 3.1 Gen1. and we also need to consider about the power consumption 4.5W/PerUSB, we dont want to be too large for the adapter. 
2. VGA is for the office some old projectors. still popular in Asia. 
3. I specially remove the Daisy chain and make it to be another DP. Certainly the Daisy Chain type C port can be output to a 5K display directly but according to the Thunderblt 40GB bandwidth in total, it means it will be only output " SINGLE" 5K. and for the current Mantiz Titan, you still can use 2 DP to be one 5K output. so actually it is the same. And thinking about the advantage, while you are doing the dual display output, you will never " purchase " any adapter for your 2nd monitor. ( Daisy chain design unit is: One DP + One Typc C) with that kinds of Dock you will need to have the C-DP, or C-HDMI adapter to link with your 2nd Monitor.
4. for charging? We still prefer to keep the adapter small. 120W for now.
5. considering about the dock design, it is a trade off.

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ed_co
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Posted by: Mymantiz_John

1. Wish we can design more USB, but all USB actually are sharing the 5G USB 3.1 Gen1. and we also need to consider about the power consumption 4.5W/PerUSB, we dont want to be too large for the adapter. 
2. VGA is for the office some old projectors. still popular in Asia. 
3. I specially remove the Daisy chain and make it to be another DP. Certainly the Daisy Chain type C port can be output to a 5K display directly but according to the Thunderblt 40GB bandwidth in total, it means it will be only output " SINGLE" 5K. and for the current Mantiz Titan, you still can use 2 DP to be one 5K output. so actually it is the same. And thinking about the advantage, while you are doing the dual display output, you will never " purchase " any adapter for your 2nd monitor. ( Daisy chain design unit is: One DP + One Typc C) with that kinds of Dock you will need to have the C-DP, or C-HDMI adapter to link with your 2nd Monitor.
4. for charging? We still prefer to keep the adapter small. 120W for now.
5. considering about the dock design, it is a trade off.

1. I have seen a lot of docks with 4 and 5 USBs. It shouldn't be a big deal... And for me 2 is nothing, and I personally would end up with an external hub...

2. IMHO it is just a waste. It is way better to have for example the microsd card. I would never pay for a dock having VGA lacking a lot of other features. You sacrifice space (it is the bigger connector outside, and inside I am sure the complication of that analogue video adapter in the circuit), and therefore other really good features because of that... In my opinion a nonsense, and a deal breaker.

3. First, I disagree, it is much better to have one TB3, rather than 2 DP for a 5K monitor. I specially don't want to mess with 2 cables for one monitor, if I can use one.

Second, as per what I said about using 2 TB3 connections for a dock (the cable is really thin, so not bothered having 2 of this), the problem of bandwidth disappears (just matter of using 2 TB3 instead of one)... So it is doable... It depends how you want to do it. And if you use 2 TB3, you don't need any extra adapter, as you could have 2 DP and 2 TB3...

And third, if you included DP 1.4 you can use 5k straight away for each DP... So, yes, there are possibilities...

Having all of that, I don't care to pay an extra more. If I didn't get one till now, is because I think there are expensive and incomplete... but with all that I am saying, I wouldn't mind to pay without any doubt.

4. No, for USB-C. Just an extra USB-C port. But if has charging, the better. Not related with the PSU (which I could prefer if the connection were USB-C, no doubt, but I was not saying that).

5. It is a trade off, OK. Pretty sad. For me it is a mistake, the trade off should be not include the VGA despite just few people would use such old projectors, and many of them are claiming for a microsd because Apple decided to remove it, as well as other connectors, and therefore the need of a dock...

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I appreciate with your opinion, even there're many things had been over thunderbolt design guide line.

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Posted by: Jyin
Posted by: Mymantiz_John

According to the bandwidth limitation, 4K x 60HZ x 1 =16GB, Max will be only support to Dual 4K @ 60Hz.

But 1080p x 60Hz would only use 4GB, the bandwidth could allow 8 of those, right?

The limitation would be of the dock itself.  I have a USB C to mDP adapter with 3 1080P screens with no issues. If one of those DPs supported DP++ then you could get a DP hub and do it that way.

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Posted by: Mymantiz_John

Correct. But consider there are only two DO source from thunderbolt  chip so it could be only output two displays Maximum.

How so?

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Yeah, if this thing had 3 DP, or even 2 DP + 1 USB-C (So I can run triple, FreeSync), it would have been an insta-buy.

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Thunderbolt design will be with few configurations.
Config 1: DP + Type C upstream 
Config 2: DP + DP 
so, there won't be a DP+ DP + Type C upstream port. which is out of the design from the Thunderbolt chip.

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ha1o2surfer
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I know this config works. TB3 > TB2 adapter > Akitio with 970 > WD my DUO  > mDP to DP HUB x3. I drive 3 x 1080p displays plus 2 from the 970 just fine.

This config also works USBc > mDP adapter > mDP to DP hub.

I also have a TB3 dock that I can also test my USBc mDP adapter on but I have no worries about that working either as long as I don't go over the 3 Display limit of my Intel HD 620.

That's why Im always so confused why you can't find a USBc to 3x DP adapter or any combo of 3 display outs that all work at the same time. It's very doable but maybe it wont pass a certification. Not sure

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I will just chime in to agree with some above posters - there's no need for a TB3 dock to have VGA. If you've got a TB3 laptop & a VGA-only projector you're hooking up to then you probably should have spent your $200 on a new projector. If you're at the office & need to hook up to a VGA projector in a conference room, you're not lugging your dock (with power supply) from your desk to the conference room.

Additional requirement for me from a product like this will be a USB-C port w/ Power Delivery so iPhone 8 or similar can charge at full speed.

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As someone who does a lot of conf room shuffling around - in that context the intent is not to carry your dock around, but to have it as a budget-friendly "presenter dock". You walk in the meeting room, plug in the TB3 connector, and you get power, video (even if it's a crummy VGA) and network through a single dock. USB-C to HDMI/Displayport is always easier to find than VGA, which will be a big active dongle if done separately. That eliminates a whole lot of setting up/forgotten charger/cable time.

So while I understand that a VGA-out is not necessarily a benefit for high-tech road-warriors who largely deal with recent consumer projectors meant for EU/US markets, I can certainly appreciate it from a company/corp-world perspective. Whether it was perhaps better to have two products (one for consumer, one for enterprise) or if the manufacturing cost synergy justifies it is another discussion altogether.

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