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It looks like Razer has refreshed its Razer Core. In the original Razer Core review, I mentioned the TI82 and I/O issues were the main downsides. The Core V2 looks to remedy both. The main board now packs a dual Thunderbolt 3 controller setup to provide dedicated lanes for eGPU and I/O ports. With the same design and footprint, Razer squeezed out more internal space to accommodate larger GPUs. There’s no further details but we’re very curious to know more. –  https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-core-v2

TECH SPECS

At a glance

  • Thunderbolt™ 3 External Graphics Enclosure
  • Supports PCIe desktop graphics cards
  • Plug and play with compatible GPU
  • USB 3.0 ports and Ethernet
  • Powered by Razer Chroma™

Connection to PC

  • Thunderbolt™ 3 using included 40Gbps cable

Compatible Razer Blade laptops

Razer Core V2 max inner dimensions

  • Length : 11.81”/ 300 mm
  • Height*: 5.71” / 145mm
  • Width : 1.69” / 43mm
    * Height measured from top of PCIe connector to the bottom of the locking pin ramps.

GPU Support (Desktop graphics card not included)

  • GPU Type: Single double-wide, full-length, PCI-Express x16 graphics card
  • GPU Max Power Support: 375 Watts
  • Plug and Play compatible graphics chipsets: Graphics cards use varied designs based around a common graphics chip. Please ensure the GPU selected meets all size, power, and additional requirements.
  • Qualified NVIDIA® GeForce® graphics chipsets:
  • Qualified NVIDIA® Quadro® graphics chipsets:
    • NVIDIA® Quadro® P4000
    • NVIDIA® Quadro® P5000
    • NVIDIA® Quadro® P6000
    • NVIDIA® Quadro® GP100
  • Qualified AMD Radeon™ graphics chipsets:
    • AMD Radeon™ RX 500 Series
    • AMD Radeon™ RX 400 Series
    • AMD Radeon™ R9 Fury
    • AMD Radeon™ R9 Nano
    • AMD Radeon™ R9 300 Series
    • AMD Radeon™ R9 290X
    • AMD Radeon™ R9 290
    • AMD Radeon™ R9 285
  • Graphics Output: Based on capabilities of installed graphics

Input & Output

  • USB 3.0 X 4
  • Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000
  • Thunderbolt™ 3 (for connection to PC)

Lighting

  • Razer Chroma – 2 Zones

PC System Requirements

  • Windows® 10 64bit with Thunderbolt 3 port

Internal Power Supply

  • 500 Watts

Included Cables

  • Power Cable
  • Thunderbolt 3 cable

Razer Core Approx. Size

  • 4.13” / 104.9 mm (Width) x 13.38” / 339.9 mm (Depth) x 8.6” / 218.4 mm (Height)

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Good to see Razer Core updating their product.  A very good looking chassis. I’m curious what they mean by:

The world’s first dual Thunderbolt 3 design provides dedicated lanes for both graphics and I/O ensuring fluid gameplay.

The advertising picture, copied below, shows only a single TB3 port. Is this an oversight? In order to have dedicated lanes for graphics and I/O, the enclosure would need either two Thunderbolt3 ports or a Thunderbolt 3 port + USB 3.1 port. Then would need to run two cables back to the system to have dedicated traffic for graphics and I/O.

 

 

I would guestimate they are using a USB hub to host I/O ports, as we’ve seen on other enclosures and switching it through, like the Asus XG Station 2, depending on if a second TB3 cable is wired. Are they using a 10Gbps USB hub to improve on current TB3 enclosure offerings?

https://egpu.io/external-gpu-buyers-guide-2017/#tb3-enclosures

 

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Might replace my Sonnet with one of these, always loved them but didn't want to splash out on a Ti82 chip one... thats dependent on what Apple brings out in Spring '18.

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It looks smaller which is nice. I wonder how will be the power delivery over thunderbolt 3 and the probably custom power supply.

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The world’s first dual Thunderbolt 3 design provides dedicated lanes for both graphics and I/O ensuring fluid gameplay.

Sounds like a marketing blurb. It has a single TB3 port.

According to Tom's Hardware, nothing much changed:

- port layout slightly modified
- allows taller graphics cards

"this is the same Razer Core that is currently on the market"

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-blade-stealth-core-v2,35704.html

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For me it's always the best looking unit... now with TI83! But the price will be very high... 

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Dual TI83 controllers is a very clever work around for bandwidth loss associated with onboard USB hubs. If the numbers support the hype, this may become the new eGPU champion. The price is tough to swallow though, especially since $599 today gets you a GTX 1070 from Gigabyte and a feature-packed enclosure. I can't wait for the review!

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Err. How does using two controllers help if we are only using a single cable? We're still sharing the same transmission medium here, aren't we?

I wonder if they are doing something quirky like this:

-- Cable --> [TB3 Controller] -- [PCIe Switch Chip] -- TB3 Controller  -- GPU slot.

                                                                             ^----------- PCIe to USB Controller.

Then they rely on the PCIe Switch Chip's native ability to load balance to only use as much USB bandwidth as required.

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Posted by: RimsOnAToaster

Dual TI83 controllers is a very clever work around for bandwidth loss associated with onboard USB hubs. If the numbers support the hype, this may become the new eGPU champion. The price is tough to swallow though, especially since $599 today gets you a GTX 1070 from Gigabyte and a feature-packed enclosure. I can’t wait for the review!

The Core V2 will be US$499. The V1 could be had for an additional US$100 discount ($399) if purchased with a compatible Razer notebook.

Those looking at this unit may consider these detractors:

1. The Core’s CNC chassis, while slim, is HEAVY. Notice they are omitting weight in the tech specs.  With no video card installed, the comparable V1  weights more than double the GTX1070 Aorus Gaming Box  (4.95kgs vs 2.36kgs), and is heavier than all other current TB3 enclosures apart from the mammoth Asus XG Station 2 (5.10kgs) . An important consideration if looking to transport the unit regularly.

2. As Goalque pointed out, the “dual TB3 controllers, separate lanes for I/O and GPU” is marketting. Unless there are two cables being used, like the Asus XG Station 2 allows (TB3 and USB-B), the I/O and GPU traffic will converge down a single 22Gbps PCIe TB3 cable. If Razer reads this they are advised to correct that marketting “feature”. I can otherwise forsee chargebacks/refunds as corrective measures.

3. Razer are yet to disclose what power delivery (PD) they have specced for the enclosure. The V1 had 45W power delivery.

4. The Core V2 at US$500 is questionable value when compared to other devices on the market. Unless you must have the Core V2 looks . . .

https://egpu.io/external-gpu-buyers-guide-2017/#tb3-enclosures

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I would look at the rest of the Razer lineup to infer some characteristics.
They simultaneously refreshed the Blade Stealth with the quad-core i7-8550U: since it is powered via the USB-C port only, I think it's a safe bet to say the Razer Core V2 will support at least 65W PD.
Also, no Razer laptop sports more than a single USB-C port, so I guess it'd make little sense for them to release a dock with dual TB3 ports.

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Here’s my guess of the dual-TB3 controller setup. The main board for the Razer Core V1 has the Expansion I/O go through the single DSL6540 TB3 controller shared with PCIe slot. The dual setup has PCIe slot use one TB3 Controller while a second TB3 Controller handle the Expansion I/O. Both  travel through a single USB-C/Thunderbolt port.

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I think it's cool for Razer to continue with Core, this only shows that eGPU has everything to blast! But it is the high price that Razer charges for eGPU.

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So, its in stock ...  https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-core-v2

No Vega support, second Thunderbolt port is still a question, 500$ ... worth it?

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@chaosmage, this enclosure is not worth $500 (imho) unless they have either a second thunderbolt port or a second USB 3.1 port to attach two cables to your notebook. Then they can separate I/O and eGPU traffic.

Consider it’s value against other enclosures in the Buyer’s Guide. Like:

 

  • US$527 Aorus Gaming Box (includes a GTX1070) , on Amazon in AS NEW –  Item is in original packaging, but packaging has damage condition. A miniture enclosure including a GTX1070. With a GTX1070 in this enclosure it weighs less than half of what a Core V2 without a video card weighs.

 

  • US$490 Asus XG Station 2 that does have a twin cable approach to separate I/O and eGPU traffic. It has a  Thunderbolt 3 and USB-B port for that.

 

  • US$249 AKiTiO Nodeno frills, gives plenty of leftover $$ to host your fast storage on it’s own separate port.

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Razer don't need 2 Thunderbolt cables. They can simply daisy chain one TB3 controller with another.

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Not sure why there is concern / confusion about the dual controllers and why we keep talking about one TB3 cable. This is really two devices in one: a PCIe slot for eGPU built around one TB3 controller and one TB3 port,  and (effectively) a USB  hub built around another TB3 controller (TB3 has a USB compatibility layer to deal with stuff like that). Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Although that is likely part of the reason for the high cost. Thunderbolt 3 controllers are expensive.

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Posted by: Axam

Razer don’t need 2 Thunderbolt cables. They can simply daisy chain one TB3 controller with another.

Each TB3 cable is Intel limited to 22Gbps of PCIe traffic. Daisy chaining TB3 devices simply extends that chain but the same limitation applies.

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This is really two devices in one: a PCIe slot for eGPU built around one TB3 controller and one TB3 port, and (effectively) a USB hub built around another TB3 controller (TB3 has a USB compatibility layer to deal with stuff like that). Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Although that is likely part of the reason for the high cost. Thunderbolt 3 controllers are expensive.

All TB3 enclosures with I/O ports are already using their TB3 controller’s onboard USB 3.1 controller. A second TB3 controller is unnecessary nor makes much sense unless a second TB3 cable is used. That’s because one TB3 controller encodes data for transfer down one TB3 cable. 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11945/razer-launches-core-v2-tb3-egfx-enclosure-two-thunderbolt-3-controllers explains the “dual-TB3” controllers Razer Core V2 marketting.

With its second generation Razer Core, the company uses two dual-port Intel DSL6540 ICs coupled with the newer TI TPS65983 controllers. The primary TB3 controller now uses all four PCIe lanes to connect the GPU to the host PC. The secondary TB3 controller is connected to the primary one using the downstream TB3 port of the primary DSL6540 (essentially creating an internal daisy chain) and uses its PCIe lanes for the GbE and the USB controllers (basically, the DSL6540 is used like a PCIe switch). In this scenario, the GPU always gets a priority and the traffic from the other clients is always routed properly. As a bonus, the Core v2 does not have compatibility problems because they now use the newer TI TPS65983 controller.

As a DSL6540 has separate PCIe buses for the PCIe and USB controllers as shown here it is not clear why Razer then felt the need to separate thoses buses again by using another DSL6540. Maybe for marketting only . . . which will open the product up for returns/chargebacks for dubious “separate lanes for eGPU and I/O” since eGPU and I/O traffic terminates at one x4 3.0 TB3 PCIe bus.

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Is this better than the Mantiz venus? I have order the Mantiz but for the Portugal with the taxes i could go for this from razer in germany, no taxes....

 

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@nando4 thank you for the reply, i have done my purchase a week ago(mantiz).

But i wanted to see if this new razer core V2 was better than the Mantiz? does the  “separate lanes for eGPU and I/O” of the Razer Core better than the Mantiz, for using SSD inside the Matiz and I/O for Keyboard em mouse?

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@Evangelista, Mantiz has tuned their firmware giving an option to use either a static or dynamic allocation firmware for I/O ports.  There has been some reports that the dynamic allocation, while giving great H2D bandwidth for the eGPU, has resulted in poor I/O port response. It is there that the Razer Core V2 may do better since it internal ‘daisy chain’ configuration using dual TB3 controllers may be better tuned for I/O response. However, as has been mentioned, the I/O and eGPU shares bandwidth when both are active in the Core V2. I have some reservations about Razer’s advertising that may suggest otherwise.

Some other alternatives:

1. Wiring your storage to use it’s own TB3/USB-C port will see the best performance for your eGPU and storage.

2. Along this line, the Asus XG Station 2 is the only current TB3 enclosure that, via a separate USB-B cable, provides dedicated bandwidth for it’s I/O ports.

 

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@Evangelista, Mantiz has tuned their firmware giving an option to use either a static or dynamic allocation for I/O ports.  There has been some reports that the dynamic allocation, while giving great H2D bandwidth for the eGPU, has resulted in poor I/O response. It is there that the Razer Core V2 may do better since it internal 'daisy chain' configuration may be better tuned for I/O response.

Some other alternatives:

1. Wiring your storage to use it's own TB3/USB-C port will see the best performance for your eGPU and storage.

2. Along this line, the Asus XG Station 2 is the only current TB3 enclosure that, via a separate USB-B cable, provides dedicated bandwidth for it's I/O ports.

 

Thanks, I will connect the ssd directly to the Macbook. Do you think with the keyboard and mouse connect to the Mantiz, the Egpu will lose performance?  

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@Evangelista, keyboard and mouse are low bandwidth devices. It’s fast storage that will impinge on eGPU bandwidth while both are being used simultaneously.

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Posted by: nando4

@Evangelista, keyboard and mouse are low bandwidth devices. It's fast storage that will impinge on eGPU bandwidth while both are being used simultaneously.

@nando4 Thanks!

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download 20171120 231220

 

Pretty amazing.  Everything actually works, no USB issues so far!!!!

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@irev210, you’re one of the first to post info about the Core V2. Would you mind posting a hwinf64 pic of it’s USB topology as shown at the following URL?

https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/request-hwinfo64-pic-of-enclosure-ports-aorus-xg-station-2-razer-core/#post-16204

This will help us understand how Razer are now routing eGPU and I/O port lanes in this new product version.

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@irev210, your one of the first to post info about the Core V2. Would you mind posting a hwinf64 pic of it's USB topology as shown at the following URL?

https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/request-hwinfo64-pic-of-enclosure-ports-aorus-xg-station-2-razer-core/#post-16204

This will help us understand how Razer are now routing eGPU and I/O port lanes in this new product version.

Sure, I'll do that tomorrow.

 

It's a great egpu, much more refined vs the v1.  I'll also check the PD on a MacBook pro

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And which video card are you using with Core v2?

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@Evangelista

Some other alternatives:

1. Wiring your storage to use it's own TB3/USB-C port will see the best performance for your eGPU and storage.

 …

I purchased an Akitio Node to go the no frills approach. This is somewhat off topic, and I'd be more than willing to start a new thread, but does anyone know which Thunderbolt 3 Dock is the cheapest of the bunch? That's what I think makes most sense, a separate dock to host ports using a second TB3 port. (I think the new MacBooks, the Lenovo P70/71, the Lenovo X1 Carbon, and the HP Spectre all have 2 or more TB3 ports). I just need to figure out which of these docks is the most reasonably priced.  

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hwinfo
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65W Power Delivery (PD)

I've confirmed the PD if 65W. As tested on a 2017 macbook pro 13" using a 2M active tb3 cable rated for 100w of PD.

-  Testing with aorus gaming box, I got 100W showing in macOS

- With Razer core v2, same cable, I got 65w showing in macOS as attached below:

* Note: I also tested with a 0.5m cable rated at 60W cable where it then showed 60W PD.

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I’ve tried the following

Razer Core v1: No mac compatibility; USB support was iffy

Gigabyte 1070 Gaming Box: No mac compatibility; USB support was better than RCv1 but still not great. I loved the size though but it does run hot. The fact that it comes with a travel pack was awesome.

HP Omen: This was my least favorite eGPU; just not that great, big, ugly, unreliable, cheaply made. Whoever designed this put absolutely no thought into the usability. From installing a gpu to removing a gpu to the quality of components, nothing was well designed. The 299 price point is amazing for the unnecessary complexity of the case. I suspect that these will be great salvage units for eGPU PCBs and will be repurposed into custom cases that are actually well thought out. I will say that it is quite and runs cool due to the 120MM fan and large size of the case. That’s the only positive…

Razer Core v2: USB is flawless so far. The second that windows boots up, the USB turns on and is active. No lag while things load or anything like that. I have no reduction in my gaming benchmarks from the dual alpine ridge, etc. I’ve also tried with a Macbook Pro (13″ Mid-2017) and it worked fine. The only thing I haven’t tested is the Power Delivery on the Mac.

The Razer Core V2 is also just extremely well designed/thought out. I mean, everything from providing a shield where the GPU slot is (just above the alpine ridge controller) to the GPU release that is custom extended to the other side of the core so you can easily pop the GPU out to the cooling shroud that feeds the PSU. Other improvements include better cables, better quality, better construction, etc. Only downside to the core is the weight – it is heavy but EXTREMELY well made.

 

More stability testing results:

Just a follow-up on v2 performance and stability – 100% perfect. No USB issues, no power issues, zero issues to speak of, works flawlessly.

This is the ONLY eGPU people should buy if they want a functional USB/Ethernet dock in addition to a eGPU.

It’s nice to finally have a eGPU that just works properly with zero problems.

 

Bottom Line:

I suspect we’ll see all manufacturers start to roll out this sort of design if they don’t want to have a ton of people complaining about USB issues as eGPU adoption increases. I think we’ll see two different markets – 1) the Sonnet route with just eGPU and no USB/ethernet 2) Razer Core v2 route with dual alpine ridge controllers to offer fully functional dock capabilities.

 

Recommendations:

If you want a eGPU+dock and have a PC or MAC, get this.

If you have a PC and want just an eGPU, get the gigabyte Gaming box

If you have a Mac and just want an eGPU, you have a lot of other big boxes to choose from.

 

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@irev210, thank you very much for posting to photos and screen caps! Really cool to see daisy-chained Thunderbolt in the Approval list. I see a lot of little refinements on the main board.

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@irev210, thank you very much for posting to photos and screen caps! Really cool to see daisy-chained Thunderbolt in the Approval list. I see a lot of little refinements on the main board.

I would say that this is nearly a complete overhaul of the main board - it's really impressive.  I really suggest you put one through a review, it's come a long way from the V1.

 

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The Razer core really is beautiful IMO, I doubt Thor zone is ever going to happen, the core looks like the next best option...

 

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I agree with your assessment of the eGPU enclosures you mentioned. It’s too bad about the OMEN Accelerator. It’s a very good price point for the features it has. Unfortunately the usability issues (due to design) make a terrible first impression on someone who wants to try external graphics.

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Posted by: irev210

hwinfo

Hat’s off to Razer for this innovative I/O port design. We see they’ve:

1. Added another TB3 controller to host I/O ports that runs in parallel to the eGPU. 

2. Hosted off that TB3 controller are 3xAsmedia ASM1142 USB 3.1 Gen2 (8Gbps x1 3.0) hubs.  These are organized as:

  • The first two ASM1142 USB hubs each have (presumably) 2x 5Gbps USB 3.0 ports attached
  • The third ASM1142 USB hub hosts 1Gbps ethernet.

 

So if the eGPU is not being actively used, there is 8Gbps+8Gbps+5Gbps (17Gbps) of TB3 bandwidth available for I/O ports. This fits the 22Gbps bandwidth budget of 4-lane TB3 perfectly.

The use of parallel TB3 controllers separates eGPU and I/O workload. Why have they done this? It may be perhaps due to a single TB3 controller struggling to deliver I/O traffic under high eGPU load, as we have seen in these other enclosures:

https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus-usb-ports-unusable/

https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/aorus-gaming-box-gtx-1070-usb-not-working-properly/

 

Drawbacks? 

 

1. There is 5Gbps of max bandwidth through any single USB 3.0 port. 

2. eGPU and I/O port traffic converge for transmission down the TB3 cable.  This design works well if you time-share I/O and eGPU usage. Using them together, with I/O ports fully loaded will see this high I/O performance design impinge far more on eGPU bandwidth than we’ve seen from previous TB3 enclosures limited to 5Gbps USB 3.1 Gen1 hubs hosting all I/O ports.

 

Possible improvements Razer may deliver in Core V2.5 or V3?

 

1. Have the I/O ports hosted off a switchable PCIe & second TB3 port. Then could have dedicated bandwidth for I/O and eGPU traffic.
2. Use 10Gbps USB 3.1 Gen2 hubs, so could include say 2x USB-C 3.1 Gen2 ports, one off hub. This would providde a port for fast SSD storage.

 

Is this a good enclosure for performance enthusiasts?

 

If you require more than USB 3.0 5Gbps (USB 3.1 Gen1) of storage speed or do high I/O port and eGPU simultaneous use then it is suggested to host your I/O and eGPU off separate TB3+TB3 or USB-C+TB3 ports.  There you would not be using the enclosure I/O ports. In which case, save yourself some $$ by looking at significantly less costly enclosures without I/O ports:

https://egpu.io/external-gpu-buyers-guide-2017/

eGPU Setup 1.35    •    eGPU Port Bandwidth Reference Table

15" Dell Precision 7510 (Q M1000M) (6th,4C,H) + GTX 1080 Ti @ 32Gbps-M2 (ADT-Link R43SG) + macOS 10.13.6 & Win10


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