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psonice
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They have something like 16 staff according to their kickstarter. $60k is what, 2 weeks salary? If they don't have that much cash spare, that's a giant red flag. But what were they raising it for otherwise? If they'd started by asking for 400k it'd be less fishy, but still, that would keep the company running for maybe 3 months.

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exklim
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Posted by: itsage

This project is becoming more of a scam everyday. exklim is raising its funding goal to $400K from the initial $63,659. They offer referral payment of $50 if you spread the word and help sell suckers into backing their project. -  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/exklim/turn-your-laptop-into-a-gaming-rig-meet-the-ex-cor/posts/2164236

$400k CAD 🙂

We suggest you all to wait till we deliver.
Few embargo’s are setup for press, YouTubers, influencers.

Cheers Smile

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exklim
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It's not that strange.
It's Max-Q mxm card running at reduced speed.
It consumes about 34 W and I believe they mean that they use compact super caps to manage any power surges the card might need when it's being pushed. And when doing more of idling the caps will use the margin to charge.

Running around in game and shoot some might be trouble free but I do not believe it will perform that great doing constant high loads like CUDA etc as the capacitors will not be able to sustain such power delivery.

The whole thing is possible - except the fact about macOS support.

Love to see knowledgeable people understanding MAX-Q, ASSIC & GCA Architecturing 🙂

Apologize for our english~ we are French Smile

Mac Users: Drivers will be provided, we are working deeply with some TechInferno enthusiast to make this posible, currently under tests Smile

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itsage
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@exklim I'd be the first to welcome you. You bark up the wrong tree using words such as "Mac drivers" and "TechInferno enthusiast". I'm not pointing out line-by-line why your product raises red flags because as many have observed you'd revise the specs to make it seem more legit.

Thunderbolt 3 eGFX is a costly investment for consumers and much more so for vendors. If you don't already have the funding and relationship with Intel you simply are not going be producing a TB3 eGPU anytime soon.

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Yukikaze
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@exklim, I see you guys made it here. Good. Please provide info covering the following questions. If there is any question you don't want to answer, just ignore it, but don't please don't ignore all of them because of a few that you don't like. Answer all you are willing and able to answer. Please be as specific and technical as you can get with your answers.

Here goes:

  1. How many prototype units do you have on hand? Have you negotiated a manufacturing deal? Where will units be manufactured? You claim a delivery to customers in July 2018, so this is a relevant question as to the feasibility of your development cycle.
    1. If you plan to ship in July 2018: When will you be able to provide a unit for independent testing by itsage (or say, notebookcheck, or Techpowerup, or better yet, all three)? It would seem that late June should be doable, and would settle a lot of questions. Influencers (oh how I detest this word) and other non-independent entities are of zero interest to the informed consumer.
  2. Is the device capable of operating off bus power alone (no other power cords of any sort connected to the eGPU, just the TB3 cable to the host)? If yes, at which clock speeds does it operate when bus powered?
  3. How do you explain the discrepancy in clocks and the rated TDP of the GTX1050 parts you've listed as your source compared to the one you advertise for your product? The source specifies a TDP of 50W, and clocks of 1354Mhz and makes no mention of this being a lower-power part. Even if you were to modify the vBIOS settings, how exactly will you guarantee the performance you advertise since your supplier is providing parts rated for the above, not some better figures. Do you plan to do in-house binning of the MXM cards and select ones that are capable of performing with lower power?
  4. Do you support any interfaces besides Thunderbolt3? Is yes, which ones? Which adapters are required to make this work? Are they provided to backers?
  5. Which operating systems are natively supported? Modified drivers are not "native", so answer carefully. If you plan to provide a workaround for OS X support, do you guarantee that you will keep developing them for every OS X version that will follow, so that OS X users can keep up with all security updates in OS X? Do you guarantee a timeframe after a new OS X version drops (and breaks your workaround) by which you will provide the new workaround so not to leave our users unable to use your device? Until which date do you guarantee to support the 1st generation eX Core?
  6. Is your device an Intel certified Thunderbolt3 peripheral? When will certification be completed? If you ship in July 2018, the date should be quite close.
  7. Why is your marketing using all sorts of misleading information? And why is your user communication so inconsistent?
    1. Your kickstarter still advertises OS X support: "We suggest updating to the most recent MacOS update as this includes Plug & Play compatibility for the eX Core" - Why haven't you removed this bit of information now that you mention "working on" modded drivers?
    2. You claim the "world's smallest GPU", but you are using an off-the-shelf commercially available SKU, so is it fair to say there is nothing new here from you with regards to the GPU itself in use?
    3. Why did you backtrack on OS X native support in the Kickstarter comments? Why did you back off from TB1 and TB2 support in kickstarter comments? Why did you back off USB3.0 and non-Thunderbolt USB support? If you only now realized that these are difficult or impossible, why did you make the initial misleading statements to backers? Or is this simple incompetence on the part of your team?
  8. Please provide the complete information about the benchmarks you claim in your press kit (attached below), this includes:
    1. The eGPU system in use:
      1. Make and model.
      2. CPU.
      3. Built-in Discrete GPU, if any.
      4. Amount of RAM.
      5. Type of storage device (SSD/HDD/NVMe).
      6. The benchmark settings used.
    2. Whether an internal or external display was used.
    3. Was the device bus or externally powered during the benchmarking run.
    4. The comparison desktop system:
      1. Maker and model of all major components (or, if OEM system, the make and model).
      2. CPU.
      3. Amount of RAM.
      4. The PCIe slot used for the GTX1050 (was it connected to the CPU? To the PCH? Was it x16? x8? x4? x1?)
      5. Type of storage device (SSD/HDD/NVMe).
      6. The exact model of GTX1050 you used for testing.
      7. How was the monitor connected to the GPU?
      8. The case you used for housing the system.
      9. The benchmarks settings used.
  9. What is the actual innovation you claim to provide in this product? I will make it easy by providing a set of questions that require Yes/No answers:
    1. Are you the world's smallest eGPU?
    2. Are you the world's only/first bus-powered eGPU?
    3. Do you have any better driver support in OS X than other devices by other companies?
    4. Are you using any parts that are not off-the-shelf, beyond the obvious: Your in-house PCB design, your in-house cooler and the in-house external shell? I am not asking for specifics, just Yes or No.
    5. Do you claim to provide better performance than a desktop GTX1050 card (of comparable clocks) used in a different eGPU enclosure?
    6. Are you using any open source SW components packaged with the device? Such as any enabling scripts developed by the community? Answer carefully here.
    7. Do you claim compatibility with any TB3 system?
    8. Do you claim compatibility with any non-TB3 interfaces? Specifically, please answer for each one:
      1. USB2.0?
      2. USB3.0?
      3. USB3.1?
      4. non-TB3 USB-C?
      5. TB1?
      6. TB2?
      7. Expresscard?
      8. mPCIe?
      9. m.2?
  10. What is your stance regarding the fact that Apple specifically states that NVidia cards are not supported as eGPUs?
  11. What other products does your company manufacture or has manufactured before? In any market (consumer retail, direct-to-OEM, etc). Please link to data sheets, product pages, or any sales listings.
  12. Please link to any granted patents in the US patent office database that the company has ownership to. I am not asking about any pending patents, but ones already in the public domain.
  13. Why are your English communications so poor? If your company is as large as you claim to be (20+ people), it would be expected in the professional world to hire someone with a good grasp of English to do the external communications, especially if you are based in North America.
  14. Have you used any stock or unlicensed photos/images in your marketing materials, or do you claim original creation of all pictures you've provided?

This is the benchmark you've released and I reference above:

wtf1

EDIT: I'll be clear here. I am not a backer of your project and I have no financial interest in any eGPU making company (Razer, Mantiz, AKiTiO, Zotac, Asus, Powercolor, Sonnet, etc). Neither do I gain any monetary profit off egpu.io (obviously I contribute here, but I make no money off this and I do this off my own free time because I like eGPUs, technology and helping people) or any other internet forum or site. The only two things I've ever received from egpu.io that were free were a Mantiz Venus evaluation board (and technically, it came from Mantiz themselves) and itsage mailed me a personal R9 285 card of his when I needed an ITX card because he is an awesome person. I am as independent of a "reporter" as you will get in this case, so if you are making an actual product, it would be very much in your interests to answer my questions, and then maybe even adopt them to your FAQ.

EDIT2: And seriously, it is "ASIC" (or Application Specific Integrated Circuit, a.k.a "chip"), not "ASSIC".

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exklim
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@Yukikaze, Hello Yukikaze! Amazing questions. 
There are few we can’t answer but the majority we can Smile

thanks for the great welcoming. 

Mister Yakikaze~ would you be up for a call ? We could answer all your questions directly while you note them accordingly, like that you can explain to your followers with details here in eGPU.io

Mr. Edgar Elíseo is now in Taiwan setting things up since months ago. 

Also will like to remind you all that we are a startup looking for your help & support.
We are well backed by great manufacturers, OEMs & ODMs in Taiwan, Korea, China, Canada, USA. 
As a startup, the worst thing we want is to have enemies or people calling us names, judge about the eX Core. 
We did spent ton amount of time developing it so it’s not pleasant having the eX Core judged Smile

We invite you all that still doubt about eX Core’s technology to give it a chance or wait until we deliver. That will make you more comfortable seeing other people reviving them and testing it. 

Thank you you all and hope to have a clean and healthy community. 

In advance we apologize for our poor English as we are from Montreal Quebec Canada, a French spoken province. 

Smile

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Mymantiz_John
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Posted by: exklim

@Yukikaze, Hello Yukikaze! Amazing questions. 
There are few we can’t answer but the majority we can Smile

thanks for the great welcoming. 

Mister Yakikaze~ would you be up for a call ? We could answer all your questions directly while you note them accordingly, like that you can explain to your followers with details here in eGPU.io

Mr. Edgar Elíseo is now in Taiwan setting things up since months ago. 

Also will like to remind you all that we are a startup looking for your help & support.
We are well backed by great manufacturers, OEMs & ODMs in Taiwan, Korea, China, Canada, USA. 
As a startup, the worst thing we want is to have enemies or people calling us names, judge about the eX Core. 
We did spent ton amount of time developing it so it’s not pleasant having the eX Core judged Smile

We invite you all that still doubt about eX Core’s technology to give it a chance or wait until we deliver. That will make you more comfortable seeing other people reviving them and testing it. 

Thank you you all and hope to have a clean and healthy community. 

In advance we apologize for our poor English as we are from Montreal Quebec Canada, a French spoken province. 

Smile

Just got a mail from ExKlim Team:

Mr. JOHN LI

 

With the sole purpose to discredit the eX Core Kickstarter campaign and due to your involvement and false statements agains our corporation, we had taken heavy losses. 

 

We will not tolerate your behavior, and due to illegal Corp Practices we will place the weight of the law against your corporation. 

 

We are seeking for a diplomatic solution, as well to avoid future damages.

 

We kindly remind you that all communication within this email is in the strictest confidence and should be shared or discussed other than your legal advisor. 

asking for the power consumption=illegal?
asking for the Native support =Illegal?
Point out the USB 3.1 is able to be used in eGPU =illegal?
If yes, please must do the further legal action.

Mantiz: ● ●


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Yukikaze
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@exklim

I'd very much appreciate if you answered these in writing, publicly. They should not be hard to pen the answers to, even ignoring some of the harder ones. Go ahead, and give your potential customers the information they need to make an informed decision. You do not make yourselves look better by not answering questions while asking for money in advance.

Want to output [email protected] out of an old system on the cheap? Read here.
Give your Node Pro a second Thunderbolt3 controller for reliable peripherals by re-using a TB3 dock (~50$).

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exklim
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Posted by: Mymantiz_John

Just got a mail from ExKlim Team:

Mr. JOHN LI

 

With the sole purpose to discredit the eX Core Kickstarter campaign and due to your involvement and false statements agains our corporation, we had taken heavy losses. 

 

We will not tolerate your behavior, and due to illegal Corp Practices we will place the weight of the law against your corporation. 

 

We are seeking for a diplomatic solution, as well to avoid future damages.

 

We kindly remind you that all communication within this email is in the strictest confidence and should be shared or discussed other than your legal advisor. 

asking for the power consumption=illegal?
asking for the Native support =Illegal?
Point out the USB 3.1 is able to be used in eGPU =illegal?
If yes, please must do the further legal action.

Lee, you’re coping every negative post on our campaign comments... 

you called our campaign a fraudulent scam and have texted our backers privately to telling them the same thing. 

plus youve pledged a $10 set. It is very obvious. 

we don’t think is fair that you come and try to destroy our funding..

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