[Unboxing] Mantiz Saturn Pro II MZ-03 Thunderbolt 3 eGPU Enclosure (US$299 RRP)
 
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dktorr
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Just received my Saturn Pro II!!!

EMI is real, especially when using a webcam!  I used a ferrite to mitigate the problem but it still persists.  I am really looking for a 1-thunderbolt cable solution...

my question is:

 

Can I connect my Lenovo X1 laptop thru Lenovo Thunderbolt 3 Dock (40AN0135US) and connect this dock via Thunderbolt 3 to Saturn Pro II??????

(I like to try connecting the webcam to the Lenovo dock and of course the dual monitor to the Saturn Pro II egpu)

 

Do you think this setup will work?  If so, any further loss of gpu performance?  Again I'm just doing this to eliminate EMI webcam issues and maintain 1-thunderbolt cable connection to my X1 Laptop.  Can anyone help? Smile

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Tiago Borba
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@dktorr don't kow about performance issues, but I'm pretty sure I've read around eGPU's may have trouble not being the first node in a daisy chain config

@feal06 I heard a report of another user who bought EU model and also got a US cable. I bought the Silver model and they shipped with an EU plug cable, so guess I got lucky.

 

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Tiago Borba
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Just a follow up on my allegedly worse network performance. Took the time to do some basic iPerf3 testing and can say there's no issues, it seems to be doing ~1gbps fine:

>iperf3.exe -c 192.168.8.242
Connecting to host 192.168.8.242, port 5201
[ 4] local 192.168.8.232 port 65041 connected to 192.168.8.242 port 5201
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.00-1.00 sec 112 MBytes 938 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 1.00-2.00 sec 111 MBytes 931 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 2.00-3.00 sec 106 MBytes 885 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 3.00-4.00 sec 110 MBytes 929 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 4.00-5.00 sec 111 MBytes 928 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 5.00-6.00 sec 113 MBytes 945 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 6.00-7.00 sec 112 MBytes 939 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 7.00-8.00 sec 112 MBytes 942 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 8.00-9.00 sec 112 MBytes 944 Mbits/sec
[ 4] 9.00-10.00 sec 112 MBytes 940 Mbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 4] 0.00-10.00 sec 1.09 GBytes 932 Mbits/sec sender
[ 4] 0.00-10.00 sec 1.09 GBytes 932 Mbits/sec receiver

iperf Done.

>iperf3.exe -s
-----------------------------------------------------------
Server listening on 5201
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Accepted connection from 192.168.8.242, port 59809
[ 5] local 192.168.8.232 port 5201 connected to 192.168.8.242 port 59810
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.00-1.00 sec 111 MBytes 934 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 1.00-2.00 sec 112 MBytes 937 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 2.00-3.00 sec 111 MBytes 934 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 3.00-4.00 sec 113 MBytes 948 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 4.00-5.00 sec 113 MBytes 945 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 5.00-6.00 sec 112 MBytes 938 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 6.00-7.00 sec 112 MBytes 940 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 7.00-8.00 sec 112 MBytes 942 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 8.00-9.00 sec 113 MBytes 949 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 9.00-10.00 sec 113 MBytes 946 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 10.00-10.00 sec 180 KBytes 897 Mbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 0.00 Bytes 0.00 bits/sec sender
[ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 1.10 GBytes 941 Mbits/sec receiver
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Server listening on 5201
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First test is iperf3 server under MacOS/MBP 15 2015'+Anker Gbps LAN and USB Hub (no USBs connected), and iperf3 client under W10/Mantiz+Latitude 5290 2in1 on Windows 10. Over Cat5e, both connected to an unmanaged Tenda switch (10 eurobucks), being routed by an Edgerouter-X in stock firmware, and I believe using HW offload (would probably be severely capped otherwise I believe). Second test is the same reversed, W10 serving to MacOS.

I'm available to do some USB testing @Arzen , I have a wide range of differently demanding USB powered devices, including SATA 3 unpowered adapter (and SATA 3 SSDs, 2.5' and 3.5' HDDs to put it to test), Wavlink m.2 NVMe (JMicron chip, not the TB3 model, this caps at ~900Mbps), an Oculus Quest 2, even a USB-Powered Ubiquity AirCube which is currently working out of my Philips monitor fine (!).

Right now my only testing has been with the Quest 2, which initially seemed like was trickle charging just barely, but I have the feeling it's not now that I've put some stress on it - which is in line with what's been said before since this is effectively a very demanding, overclocked and actively cooled Android device.

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Arzen
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@flea06, hah, I wish we could switch. They sent me a EU power cord and I live in Japan. Smile

They did refund the difference for the new power cord though! Mantiz is great!

 

MacBook Pro 16" - 2.3 i9, 16GB, 1TB, 5500m (I added thermal pads to the VRMs); Mantiz Saturn Pro w/ PowerColor Red Devil 5700 XT (previously, a Gigabyte RX 580 Gaming Box) + LG OLED C9


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mac_editor
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@tiago_borba, ethernet issue is with native macOS driver when Saturn Pro is connected to it. I have tested with 3 macs - all limited to ~500 Mbps down (iperf does about ~500-700 but never higher).

 

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Gerax
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Hi all,

now that I've gotten my Saturn to work with the MacBook Pro I have a couple of questions hopefully somebody can answer.

1) I see some strange behaviour with the MacBook, especially when it goes in sleep mode (I'm using it clamshell mode), like the Time Machine backups are happening at the time I wake up the MBP instead of the time I scheduled (with the Time Machine Scheduler app I use); also, my audio interface (Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt, connected to the first controller port, not the one that attaches to the Mantiz) is now making the speakers make some very loud bumps, only when it's turned off and the Mac has gone in sleep mode. This is very strange and I cannot find a reason for it, except that it's happening now and it didn't before. I may try to swap cables position on the controllers and see if that changes, but other than that I don't have a clue.

2) anybody tried using an NVMe drive with an adapter (like this StarTech NVMe adapter) in the internal SATA bay with success?

Thanx

 

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Soul_jacker
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I’m looking to buy an Egpu enclosure. However, i need it to be black. I’m trying really hard to not buy the razer chroma. Any news on when amazon USA will have the color black back in stock? It’s the only color missing as of today.

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Tiago Borba
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@mac_editor, thanks, I missed that part, but well my tests may help someone.

@Gerax about 2), you won't be able to because NVMe devices are PCIe, they won't work over SATA. This is one of the reasons you also have to be careful when buying USB ecnlosures or PCIe adapters for m.2 drives, as some will only support SATA drives, others support NVMe and others both in different slots that they point out.

Your alternatives are to use a USB enclosure such as the Orico or Wavlink (non TB3, 1Gbps cap), and connect it either externally to one of the mantiz ports, or find a 20pin to usb converter and unplug one of the front-facing USB cables (this is just a theory, those 2 may be required so you can lose all USB IO). The benefit through USB is not as good though, you're improving up to 900Mbps-1Gbps from 450-500Mbps on standard SATA 3 SSD. If you haven't gotten the Saturn yet (seems you did), and can can live without the USB/LAN of the Razer Core X Chroma, I guess you could put a PCIe to m.2 NVMe adapter in the expansion slot of the Chroma. I have used one of those on a 3rd gen Intel Asrock motherboard and they work great (8 bucks!). The good with this is that you theoretically won't be capped, but it depends how much the Chroma would allow through the expansion PCIe.

 


 

USB-PD on XPS 9570

I have found another issue with the Mantiz, but I believe this one may be specific to Dell devices: connecting it to both my Lati 5290 2in1 and my XPS 9570, max PD is 60W as reported by HwInfo. The XPS even complains about underpowered USB so it probably needs original PSU cable to not be performance limited by BIOS/EC etc. The Latitude should be able to support a 65W charger, but I'm unsure if the performance is limited on the Latitude though, if those extra 5W make a difference in throttling.

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Gerax
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@tiago_borba, thanx for the heads up, so I guess my only option to use the Mantiz's internal drive bay is to get an SSD, something like a Samsung EVO and call it a day.

I'll be storing sample libraries in that so I need it to be pretty fast, but a regular SSD should do.

As for the other issue, looks like it's Mac related, something with the sleep mode issue that kicks out audio drivers and thus gives bumps, the issue with mine is that it keeps bumping at random intervals, even though the audio interface is turned off...

Best

 

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Tiago Borba
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@gerax, yeah that's your option. The device I actually mentioned where I installed the PCIe to NVMe adapter was a sound production machine, and the owner reports considerable performance uplifts from standard SATA 3 SSD in things like Kontakt instrument switching, using the NVMe adapter drive... So there's that.

 

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