16 inch MacBook Pro with eGPU
Not sure how many have been following the leaks but rumours are it’ll be released today.
a pal of mine has been itching to buy one day if release, and I’m tempted too, need to move off my dual core.
mid this on anyone else’s radar? Anyone else planning a day one purchase? Will it feature Navi? Who’s going to be first to try and set one up with an eGPU?
- Starting at $2,399
- 16-in display, 3072×1920 pixel density of 226 ppi
- 9th gen 6-core and 8-core 45W CPU
- Navi Radeon Pro 5000M Graphics
- Up to 64GB of RAM
- Up to 8TB of SSD
- “Refined” scissor mechanism with 1mm travel
- 100Wh Battery with likely 96W Charger
The most amazing thing is the price. The base 16 inch has 512 GB SSD, upper model 1 TB. Also GPU is configurable to 8GB GDDR6. They have done exactly what I was hoping for (not buying it tho as 💸).
Plus they have a new heat sink that’s 35% larger and according to them can sustain 12W more power which means higher sustained boost clocks.
Marketing at its finest – took away the scissor keyboard for several years then bring it back due to butterfly keyboard complaints and call it magic!
I will get one to test with eGPU but am personally waiting for the redesign 13″/14″ MacBook Pro. Discrete graphics card has never proven its worth through long-term mobile use, especially in a Mac laptop.
Haha yes that was quite a laugh for me too. “Refined” of course.
Another interesting tidbit is 64GB memory being 4x faster vs 16GB memory (of 15-inch MBP). Quad-channel?
To be honest, I see this as a great new direction... in the world of "product" (i'm talking digital not physical) iteration based on user feedback is how you get to a better product.
I remembering hearing prior to previous refresh there was two versions of the redesign which were up for consideration, the thinner one which wash pushed live and a slightly heavier thicker version which was not, I feel someone high up prioritised thinness for performance (Jonny Ivy) because they were out of touch with the end users. IIRC the hardware engineers pushed for the thicker version.
Of course, the 5500M is running at 50W while the RX 5500 is using 150W.
Nevertheless, it's good to see Apple embracing the latest and greatest.
iteration based on user feedback is how you get to a better product.
Wise words. I agree. Am still surprised about the price. The 16-inch is simply a better deal than before, notwithstanding people’s expectations for a complete redesign.
It looks quite interesting, spec-wise. 🙂
Now I am wondering -- what are your guesses about when Thunderbolt 4 will arive?
(will it be 80 Gbit/s? in 2020? will it make much of a difference for eGPUs?)
Also wondering: will all 4 USB/TB ports be fully usable when running an eGPU?
(my Late 2016 MacBook Pro 15" allows me to use my eGPU on a port on the right side + one port on the left for USB, but if I plug an additional one directly on the notebook it crashes; probably internal bus bandwith limitations; will the new one have enough bandwidth for full usage incl. an eGPU? would be nice to use more peripherals)
4 eGPUs are supported and all 4 ports can work simultaneously already. Not sure why it crashes for you.
USB4 (includes Thunderbolt 3) is next and Thunderbolt 4 is not on the horizon as of now. TB4 would likely be based on PCIe 4.0, which is still not the prevalent standard, especially on notebooks.
Good to know that all USB ports + eGPU are working on newer models already!
To work around Error 12 in Windows I needed to deactivate the dGPU and a couple of other devices, which may cause the crashing. For stable USB I also deactivate WiFi and Bluetooth, which improves the USB connections.
Would be great to have everything active and running flawlessly along with an eGPU. But that seems likely if already the case on today's models.
Guess TB4 would be nice to have once it's out. But so far there is no major need for it as TB3 eGPU performance is already quite stable and good.
@reinhard1004 I think it’s more software related than hardware on those issues. I have the same 2016 15″ MacBook Pro and that’s a tradeoff to make use of the eGPU in Windows Boot Camp. The latest MBPs have not changed the situation much because Apple doesn’t care about how Windows works on its systems. The more troubles there are the better macOS appears. Given the quality of recent macOS releases, this may actually be their strategy. 😀
I was speaking for macOS - and it applies to the 2016 model too [less eGPUs were a High Sierra software limit]. Windows is complicated and experience varies.
Dude, you’ve had 6 months of use out of that, I wouldn’t stress it, still a great machine.
very true mate
However, after spent much recently on upgrading my gears like eGPU, NAS etc, don't really want to scrap 60% of value for just 6 month of use, plus mainly I'm using MBP with eGPU connect to external screens, and external keyboard, and don't use much of MBP speaker or Mic (almost nil).
I wonder if there will be another Catalina build prior to the shipments of these machines rolling out or if they are going to come with the .1 version currently out. I mean, it has a new GPU (I'm sure we'll see the 5300 soon enough too).
@ttamnogard Likely 10.15.1 with a special build number. AMDRadeonX6000HWServices.kext contains a few Navi PCI IDs so there will be more Navi dGPUs in new Macs.
### AMDRadeonX6000HWServices.kext * pci device: 7310 - Navi 10 * pci device: 7312 - unknown device * pci device: 7318 - unknown device * pci device: 7319 - unknown device * pci device: 731a - unknown device * pci device: 731b - unknown device * pci device: 731f - Navi 10 [Radeon RX 5700 / 5700 XT] * pci device: 7340 - Navi 14 [Radeon RX 5500 / 5500M] * pci device: 7341 - unknown device * pci device: 7343 - unknown device * pci device: 7347 - unknown device * pci device: 7360 - unknown device
was this a system sent to you? Otherwise I'd give you a hard time about not going to at least 32 Gb of RAM 😉
I'm deciding whether to go with the unlocked bigger CPU and RAM and sticking with the base dGPU... I dig my ASUS S but it isn't a Macbook...
I'm deciding whether to go with the unlocked bigger CPU and RAM and sticking with the base dGPU.
I'd say that's a good choice given you have a Radeon VII as eGPU.
I have fully tested the new machine for you.
Pending: Add my system information and expected eGPU configuration to my signature to give context to my posts
The value proposition of a lot of Macs is a bit odd these days... the Mini is over priced IMO when compared to iMacs (you pretty much get a free 4K screen with similar spec).
Looking up 5500 performance stats I found this slide from AMD, from what I have read the Mobile cards are as good as identical to the desktop (I could be wrong, feel free to correct).
This 16inch is a real beast, even without an eGPU, and would mean I get to keep my 5K display...
The desktop variants are clocked much higher (and so are RX M models) for both cores and memory so there will be discrepancies. More interestingly though, the Pro 5500M (in the 16-inch MBP) has 24 CUs vs. the desktop's 22 CUs and has an 8GB VRAM variant. The RX 5500M is different from the Pro model and is similarly configured to the desktop variant. Finally, for video editors, the best feature that Navi adds to Macs is 10-bit HEVC encode (which I think the T2 does not have - not sure; edit: see video below). Whether Apple is yet to take advantage of this or is already doing so is yet to be seen.
@mac_editor cheers for the info, I have also heard that the whole 5300-5500 range is the same card just with slightly different clocks and ram so the performance gap may not be that large.
That video you shared is from the guy that got me into tinkering with computers in the first place! I'll always have a soft spot for EVGA Hadron Hackintoshs and still regret having a melt down and selling mine for peanuts because a Windows glitch made me despise the very sight of it.
I've managed to resist buying one so far, but really dont expect to manage to hold out for long...
I'm not 100% sure, to be honest I don't think I need to go nuts, I'm almost tempted by a stock one (or at most the base with maxed out GPU).
My workflow doesn't require massive amounts of ram and neither does play (games).
How are you finding yours? I'm watching performance videos daily but haven't seen much on gaming.
@eightarmedpet I’m waiting on the Boot Camp Support Software in order to install Windows 10. Hopefully it becomes available when the RTX 2080 Ti Gaming Box arrives so that I can pair the two in Windows for some gaming. I got Borderlands 3 and X-Plane 11 recently.
Thats going to be an outrageous set up, I think it calls for a video! That could defo get some attention as I imagine it'll be a pretty solid 4K gaming set up, despite being a Mac.
@eightarmedpet I have wanted to produce videos since eGPU.io was launched almost 3 years ago (Nov 26th, 2016). With a side business, a full time job, and this website I’m honestly at max capacity. I will put a short gameplay video together with an LG 4K 27″ and Samsung superwide 49″.
@itsage ha, I keep meaning to make some videos too, I even bought a few bits and pieces to do so but haven't found the time either, maybe in the new year, I'm still living on a building site atm while my house gets redone, and I'm slowly going crazy due to the fact!
I have wanted to produce videos since eGPU.io was launched almost 3 years ago (Nov 26th, 2016)
@itsage site birthday is coming up soon (will cut virtual cake) then haha. Tho I have an exam to take that day :p