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@gpu_cat Gotcha. Gigabyte is selling their 5700 reference model for USD 329. Their OC model is USD 359 (worth it IMO).

@itsage I believe you have the 5700 reference card right? Have you tried flashing it with a 5700 XT BIOS?

Thanks! I wasn’t sure if it was ok to get into pricing here, but I appreciate your opinion. The prices are very confusing. Here is what I’ve seen lately:

1) Reference 5700 as low as $299-$309 with rebate (Gigabyte, ASUS).

2) 5700 with some OC and dual fans are $359 (Gigabyte, Sapphire).

3) 5700 XT reference as low as $359 (ASUS, PowerColor). Actually the PowerColor is not a reference design, it has a dual fan design for $359, but I’m a little hesitant given some folks experiences here.

Given those price points would you still recommend a 5700 with better cooling and small OC (option 2)?

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@gpu_cat

Yes that is indeed a confusing situation. I think one would choose 2 over 3 if noise matters most. The Gigabyte OC model is worth it over its own reference model, but throwing in a reference XT at the same price changes the game. If noise is not a factor, just get whatever you are comfortable with. 1 and 3 both are excellent value at their price points. If you were to ask my personal opinion - I'd just wait for a bit/increase my budget, and get a non-reference XT (because noise matters to me) or consider looking at the used market :p

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Actually the PowerColor is not a reference design, it has a dual fan design for $359, but I’m a little hesitant given some folks experiences here.

That's a good deal. Yes we aren't sure about the reliability but PowerColor support is generally quite good.

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@gpu_cat

Yes that is indeed a confusing situation. I think one would choose 2 over 3 if noise matters most. The Gigabyte OC model is worth it over its own reference model, but throwing in a reference XT at the same price changes the game. If noise is not a factor, just get whatever you are comfortable with. 1 and 3 both are excellent value at their price points. If you were to ask my personal opinion - I'd just wait for a bit/increase my budget, and get a non-reference XT (because noise matters to me) or consider looking at the used market :p

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Actually the PowerColor is not a reference design, it has a dual fan design for $359, but I’m a little hesitant given some folks experiences here.

That's a good deal. Yes we aren't sure about the reliability but PowerColor support is generally quite good.

Thank you for your insight, I appreciate it. Last question: how noisy are the reference cards versus the fans in the Razer Core X Chroma? I’m not planning to switch power supplies so if the Core X alone is louder than a reference card I may just go reference, but if the reference cards are going to be the loudest part I’ll probably go non-reference.

Thanks!

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At load the reference card will be the loudest. I don't know how loud the Core X gets, but it will be lower than a reference GPU.

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@gpu_cat

At load the reference card will be the loudest. I don't know how loud the Core X gets, but it will be lower than a reference GPU.

Thanks! That is very helpful. I’ll look for a non-reference card then. I don’t need silence but I think I’ll appreciate a quieter card. 

FYI - I think this is the model of the PowerColor 5700XT I’ve seen on sale if you know anything about it: https://www.powercolor.com/product?id=1565842787

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@mac_editor

Thanks for the info that the 5700XT will work in Windows with 19.11.1.  I've installed the latest drivers.    What do you mean by "clean the system"?  I am up for trying anything at this point, but would really like to avoid having to reinstall Bootcamp/Win10.....

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@itsage I believe you have the 5700 reference card right? Have you tried flashing it with a 5700 XT BIOS?

Yes I have a reference RX 5700 card. I tried flashing the firmware when these cards first came out. ATIFlash was giving me error about reading the ROM so I never manage to flash the XT firmware on the RX 5700 card. I will try again soon to see if that has changed.

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@mac_editor

Great link, thank you!

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I made plenty of money this year with the Radeon VII eGPU that I purchased to help my heavy workload. I knew the sleep bug would never be fixed so to me this was a temporary solution until a new GPU came along that had proper eGPU support.

I was lucky today to find a 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition for the same price as a used regular flavour version. It's quieter than the Radeon VII, a very good all round performance and sleep functions normal, although on the first try the GPU was having trouble waking the display.

I have now ran it through some tests. For some reason my Geekbench Metal score is 11,000 points higher than the score listed on Geekbench's charts.

 

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What sleep bug? Is it occuring with RX580? I also see Apple is selling some eGPUs on their shop. What are the conditions for teh sleep bug to appear?

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Had someone ran some test on the recently released macOS 10.15.2 beta 1 ? If so, can we expect any noticeable performance improvements on Navi drivers?

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@precision01 yes! I can confirm it! Better results with the new beta. All the benchmark results are better than before. Here my Unigine Valley (previous result 67.6 FPS):

 

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And Geekbench (previous result 35874 - Geekbench 10.15.1):

 

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Hi, I’ve been following this thread for 3 months. I haven’t bought a GPU yet but have been deciding between Power Colour’s Red Devil or the Sapphire Nitro +. Your comments of how the Core X needs to be rebooted every time the computer is rebooted with the Sapphire concerns me as to why I would choose the Sapphire over the the Red Devil. Knowing what you now know, would you recommend the Sapphire over the Devil?

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Only because of the trixx software that you can gain some fps lower the resolution. About the the switch that I have to turn on everytime I boot, maybe it’s a bug on my windows and I need to reinstall, this I want to avoid right now. I test another same card and I experience the same problem. The dragon is better looking card with the rub lights inside the fan. With the nitro though I get better score with oc. I hope that helps. 

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@evangelos_vasilaropoulos

Thanks for the quick response! I also saw in earlier posts that the Trixx software also had some incompatibilities with your setup, has it improved since late October with additional updates?

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@evangelos_vasilaropoulos

Hi, I’ve been following this thread for 3 months. I haven’t bought a GPU yet but have been deciding between Power Colour’s Red Devil or the Sapphire Nitro +. Your comments of how the Core X needs to be rebooted every time the computer is rebooted with the Sapphire concerns me as to why I would choose the Sapphire over the the Red Devil. Knowing what you now know, would you recommend the Sapphire over the Devil?

Hey guys - me too - but I'm not sure. Should I go with a RX5700XT or Radeon VII. Egpu will be used only for FCP / Resolve (no Gaming/Bootcamp)
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@jefniro

Interesting. I've also run some testes and there's no difference for me. In fact, there's something I find very odd here: Why would my OpenCL Score be about half of yours? You are getting 60's and I'm getting 30's.

Do you have any idea about what is happening?

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@precision01 I'm surprised too, I need to say... this is why I made it two times! 🙂 I really don't know why but this evening I will put online the results with details.

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@desmo_duo For non-gaming use the Radeon VII is much more powerful than the rest of Radeon cards. The best enclosure for it is NetStor HL23T-Plus. I’ve been using this exact same setup with my 2013 Mac Pro and it’s working great [needs Purge-Wrangler script]. Apple will keep improving drivers for Vega II because they use it in the new Mac Pro.

 

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@desmo_duo For non-gaming use the Radeon VII is much more powerful than the rest of Radeon cards. The best enclosure for it is NetStor HL23T-Plus. I've been using this exact same setup with my 2013 Mac Pro and it's working great [needs Purge-Wrangler script]. Apple will keep improving drivers for Vega II because they use it in the new Mac Pro.

 

@itsage  Thx mate! Netstore seems to be unavailable in Germany. What about Razer Core X? And XTX AMD Radeon VII?

Sorry guys for beeing off-topic

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@desmo_duo Some members reported proper sleep behavior using the Core X with Radeon VII so you can certainly give it a shot.

 

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@jefniro

I've run Geekbench 5 OpenCL test on Windows 10 bootcamp and I can get the same result as yours: around 60's. (see attachment)

Very odd.

Do anyone have an idea about what can be happening? Why my macOS Geekbench 5 OpenCL score is about 50% of what it should be?

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@precision01 Something is definitely off with your macOS RX 5700 XT performance. I tried it on a reference RX 5700 just now and OpenCL was 49548 while Metal was 42447.

 

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@itsage @jefniro

Very strange indeed.

The tests were done on a reference XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT (RX-57XT8MFD6).

I'm getting the same low Geekbench 5 score on MacBook Air 2019 (about 28000). So, I think it is not the MacBook itself. Very strange.

And Metal scores follow the same trend: ~50% lower Geekbench 5 metal score.

So, it must be Razer Core X interface or the GPU. I'll google about XFX 5700 XT, geekbench, Razer Core X and related topic to try to find out what is happening, since unfortunately I don't have another 5700 XT to make comparisons.

update:

It shouldn't be, but maybe the issue is related to thunderbolt 3 cable. it shouldn't because it is an Active 40gbps 100w 2 meters (~6.5 feet) thunderbolt 3 cable from CalDigit. But I will try with the 0.5 meter cable from Razer.

 

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@precision01

Interesting discrepancy. I have my RMAed 5700 XT arriving today. Will run a bench to add a data point here. Mine is a PowerColor variant. Let’s see what we get.

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@itsage @jefniro

Very strange indeed.

The tests were done on a reference XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT (RX-57XT8MFD6).

I'm getting the same low Geekbench 5 score on MacBook Air 2019 (about 28000). So, I think it is not the MacBook itself. Very strange.

And Metal scores follow the same trend: ~50% lower Geekbench 5 metal score.

So, it must be Razer Core X interface or the GPU. I'll google about XFX 5700 XT, geekbench, Razer Core X and related topic to try to find out what is happening, since unfortunately I don't have another 5700 XT to make comparisons.

update:

It shouldn't be, but maybe the issue is related to thunderbolt 3 cable. it shouldn't because it is an Active 40gbps 100w 2 meters (~6.5 feet) thunderbolt 3 cable from CalDigit. But I will try with the 0.5 meter cable from Razer.

 

I use Apple Thunderbolt 3 cable, the one 0,8 m. length.

What I need to say is that my Wavlink  TB3 external SSD disk performances dropped! 😕 

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@precision01 Allow me to add some more confusion to this mix. Same macOS build. Same GPU (different AIB/model). Yet another different set of scores. I tried multiple runs of course.  I have a feeling that Geekbench is being inconsistent. That or GPU BIOS makes a difference. I've had issues with Geekbench GPU benchmarking before - scores have varied widely (notwithstanding version changes that change normalization) on minor macOS updates even on Vega (same card). LuxMark is usually far more consistent. This is not even margin of error:

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@mac_editor @precision01 here my new LuxMark benchmark. The same result that I had wit 10.15.1:

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I have some gain with Valley benchmark (ca. 10%) from previous version of Catalina. But I think Geekbench has some bugs...

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So the new 16" MacBook Pro is using AMD Radeon Pro 5000M series GPUs.  RDNA/Navi confirmed.

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@mac_editor @precision01 new beta 10.15.2 (19C39d) new value:

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!BE CAREFUL WITH THE UPDATE!

 

This release is very unstable for my setup. I got 3 time green screen during Valley Benchmark, it never happened before.  Very unstable (and worst) performance too. This is my (only) Valley Benchmark that I made.

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Hello, @mac_editor , @jefniro , @itsage

After doing a lot of tests, including, Geekbench, Luxmark, Valley, Heaven and Steam Games that work both on Mac and Windows, I came to some conclusions, which I'm going to list here.

note1. In general, Nothing changed between tests on macOS 10.15.0 ~ 10.15.2 beta 1.

note2. The tested system was a MacBook Pro 15" 2019 - Core i9 - 16gb Ram - Razer Core X + XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT (reference card)

note3. As expected, my MacBook Air 2019 results are slower but still proportional to Macbook Pro 15 results. And I have the same geekbench issues with it.

1. Geekbench 5.0.4 

- The app is not reliable at all. At least on my system. After dozens of runs, with shorter or longer thunderbolt 3 cables, my OpenCL score randomly varied from 30.000 to 42.000. And Metal score randomly varied between 28.000 and 32.000.

- On macOS, I never got even near the 60's that I can see on geekbench online browser or from some people benchmarks here. Incan get those 60s score just on Windows 10.

- Shorter TB3 cable gave me the highest results.

- Win 10 results are on par with what other people achieved.

GeekbenchOpenCL B
GeekbenchMetal A

2. Valley / Heaven

- The app results are stable.

- Nothing changes when using shorter or longer cable.

- macOS results average 20% slower than on Windows.

Win unigineValley
Mac unigineValley

3. Luxmark

- The app results are stable.

- Nothing changes when using shorter or longer cable.

- Results seem very stable and close to other people scores.

LuxmarkOpenCL A

4. Rise of Tomb Raider - 2016(PC) 2018(mac)

- The app results are stable.

- Nothing changes when using shorter or longer cable.

- macOS 1440p and 2160p results average 20% slower scores than on Windows

5. Shadow of Tomb Raider - 2018(PC) 2019(Mac)

- The app results are stable.

- Nothing changes when using shorter or longer cable.

- macOS 1440p and 2160p results average ONLY 7% slower than on Windows (Did not expect this)

Win shadowTombRaider2160pHigh Cabo Thunder CurtoB
Mac shadowTombRaider2160pHigh Cabo Thunder Curto

 

My conclusion about gaming performance on Mac with the newer cards:

There's still some room for the Navi drivers to mature, but performance is already good on Metal api optimized games.

It seems that Metal optimized games on Mac can perform closer to DirectX 12 and Vulkan api games on Windows 10.

So, with some effort from AMD, Apple and developers, Mac gaming can be decent.

An optimized game like Shadow of Tomb Raider clearly shows that.

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I will be interesting to compare the Radeon RX 5500M dGPU performance with Radeon RX 5700 XT eGPU performance.

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For valley in Windows test with OpenGL for more accurate comparison with macOS. DirectX outperforms OpenGL anyway. 

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Has anyone used the ASRock Challenger 5700XT? I can’t find much information about it, but it is currently much cheaper than the Gigabyte 5700 CT OC or Sapphire Pulse that I’ve been waiting for... but the low price makes me a bit nervous. Might be worth waiting for the Sapphire or Gigabyte?

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@mac_editor @precision01 new beta 10.15.2 (19C46a) same values:

Geekbench 5:

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Geekbench 4:

Schermata 2019 11 23 alle 09.21.53

 

LuxMark:

Schermata 2019 11 23 alle 09.46.58

Still GREEN SCREEN in Valley Benchmark...

 

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